Why Hong Kongers Hate Being Called Chinese

When you ask Hong Kongers where are they from, you will get a very typical answer of “I’m from Hong Kong”. You barely hear them say “I’m a Chinese”. Even though Hong Kong has been returned to the sovereignty of China for almost 14 years, Hong Kong people still consider themselves separately from Chinese regarding language, culture and living standard. Why don’t Hong Kongers think of themselves as Chinese? What’s wrong with being a Chinese for them?

Different Languages Used
Imagine, Cantonese is harder to learn than Mandarin (9 tones in Cantonese vs. 4 tones in Mandarin) and less people speak Cantonese than Mandarin, so Hong Kong people think Cantonese is a more exclusive and prestigious language and it creates some kind of language pride to Hong Kong-ese because they’re speaking their “own” language. (Although Guangdong people also speak Cantonese)

Hong Kong was much Richer than China
Hong Kong is a capitalist economy while China is a (partially) socialist one. The economic system had made Hong Kong economically more affluent than China in the old days. Hong Kong was doing well at making clothing, watches and jewellery in the 1960′s-1980′s, though the main economic sectors have been switched to retail, banking and real estate after because of the rising wages and rents in factories. Hong Kong people’s higher income and living standard created their mentality of being more high-status than “Chinese”.

Hong Kong is still continuously using the old law and tax systems as it was when being a British colony, which are different from what China is using. Hong Kong people also think that their economic and political systems are one that is more “civilized” as there are less corruptions and black-market transactions. Hong Kong’s being less corrupted and more transparent has also made Hong Kong people to think that they’re more superior.

Hong Kong People Had Whiter Skin
Don’t laugh, they do think it’s important. White skin represents being more rich in the Greater China (and also Asia) because people with whiter skin don’t need to work outdoor and do physical work where they would expose themselves under the sun. As China was still an agriculture-based economy before, people in rural provinces usually worked in a field and got tanned easily.While in Hong Kong, people usually worked in a factory (in the old days) or office with little exposure to the sun so people in Hong Kong had white skin.

However, tanned skin is getting more popular these days (although white skin is still a predominant measure of beauty and wealthiness) and Chinese people are getting less and less exposed to the sun. Hence, this reason is getting less important in contributing to Hong Kong people’s unwillingness to consider themselves as Chinese.

Fear of Change: Self-identity Crisis before 1997
Before the important year 1997 – where Hong Kong’s sovereignty was returned to China – approached, many Hong Kong people started to migrate to other countries like Canada, Australia, the United States and New Zealand before of the fear of a chaos created by the big political change. During that time they always questioned about their identity, but the more they doubted about it, the more they reckoned themselves as a Hong Kongese because Hong Kong was still much more wealthy than Mainland China which was still developing at that time. The fear of change and the pride of their own economic development only reaffirm Hong Kong people’s identity as being a “Hong Kongese” but not Chinese.

How About Now? China is Doing Good!
Nowadays, Hong Kong people still regard themselves separately from China. But, interestingly, a lot of surveys found that Hong Kong people would be more willing to say they’re Chinese when China performs well in its international image. For example, around the time of the Beijing Olympics Games in 2008, more Hong Kong people were willing to say they are Chinese. But when China was having troubles in issues like food hygiene and human-rights, Hong Kong people wouldn’t say they’re Chinese.

In essence, Hong Kong people’s self-identity is based on the mutual benefits and influence between Hong Kong and China. When China is having good reputations, they don’t mind being a “Chinese”, otherwise they stick to their old “Hong Kong-ese” pride.

Now, more people are learning Mandarin and migrating to China for opportunities, Hong Kong will be likely to greatly benefit from this change. Would Hong Kong people become more willing to regard themselves as a Chinese? It’s still a question.

138 Comments on Why Hong Kongers Hate Being Called Chinese

  1. Kenny
    June 29, 2011 at 3:42 pm (3 years ago)

    I’d say that part of the identity of HK is “not China” (pre-97) or “different from the rest of China” (post-97). In a way, this is the reason HK even exists. I think that HKers relish the choice of being able to say they’re Chinese or they’re from HK, depending on the situation. Culturally, they see themselves as Chinese, with a 5000-year history and a beautiful language. But in terms of living habits and politics, HKers will not say they’re from China because of the negative connotations. China has a long way to go if it wants HKers to be willingly patriotic.

    • Jin @hkgirltalk
      June 29, 2011 at 4:32 pm (3 years ago)

      Hong Kong people’s recognizing themselves as a Chinese is often associated with pragmatism, like as you said, they are unwilling to do so because of all those negative connotation in the international political realm. I agree that Hong Kong people enjoy the fact that they have choices to choose – to be Chinese or Hong Kongers, it’s the options that make them feel more prestigious and high-status. They enjoy being a Chinese (with a long history and deep culture roots) and a Hong Kong-ese (more open economy and society with less censorship), it’s the shifting of identities that make them feel good.

      • Kenny
        June 30, 2011 at 10:15 am (3 years ago)

        We also have to take into account the demographics of HK. Very few people have ancestors who lived in Hong Kong more than 5 or 6 generations ago. The vast majority of the HKers are from families who only moved to HK from China within the past 100 years or so. There were reasons people tried so hard to leave China to go to HK, even risking their lives. For some of these people to say they’re from China, it would be like saying their grandparents risked their lives for nothing.

        • Jin @hkgirltalk
          June 30, 2011 at 10:59 am (3 years ago)

          You are very right. There were only approximately 300,000 population in Hong Kong before it was open for foreign trades. Also, lots of Mainlanders (especially those from Shanghai) moved to Hong Kong during the World War II. So there are very very few real Hong Kong people. Most of the Hong Kong people are originally from Guangdong province.

    • mina
      February 15, 2012 at 2:43 am (2 years ago)

      My grandparents and parents, and me were born in Hong kong. We are pure catonese. We are hong kongese. We are also chinese. That is how we identify ourselve. When we say hkgese,it simiply means we have our own hk cultures, languages, tradition, law system, and ways of lives..which is very different than people in China. Comparing hk to china, it’s like comparing hk to Taiwan. Or comparing China to Korean. Which is really not exactly the same. We all have our own little culture differences and we live under different government system. People who ancestry were not from Hk would not know hk culture and wouldn’t understand what I am telling them.

  2. MKL
    June 30, 2011 at 12:47 am (3 years ago)

    Is it similar as in Taiwan, where most people would think of being culturally Chinese or 華人 and politically or by nationality Taiwanese or 臺灣人, not 中國人. Or would that be going too far for Hong Kongers and they would still use the word 中國人 instead of 華人, when they choose to be Chinese?

    • Jin @hkgirltalk
      June 30, 2011 at 12:57 am (3 years ago)

      Thank you for your comment.

      When Hong Kongers choose to be Chinese (when China is performing well in the international political and economic stage), they regard themselves as a 中國人 (the general term of Chinese) or “a Chinese from Hong Kong”. The term “華人” is more applicable for Taiwanese I guess, or those Chinese who live overseas. But generally, I think Taiwanese mostly use 臺灣人 to identify themselves.

  3. zenlifefrugal
    June 30, 2011 at 1:06 am (3 years ago)

    I guess Hong Kongers can choose based off of how China is doing in the world and that is what will be what several of them do. If China does well, I guess Hong Kongers will say they are Chinese. If China does poorly, then Hong Kongers will say that they are Hong Kongers. It is a matter of perspective of the local people and how the other countries view the East at any moment in time.

    • Jin @hkgirltalk
      June 30, 2011 at 1:15 am (3 years ago)

      The trick is that Hong Kong people always relate their self identity to external image – or what we call “faces” – where what others perceive them is of utmost important than what they see themselves as a person. The success or not of China in economic development or political strength will affect Hong Kong’s image, hence the emergence of this kind of thoughts by Hong Kongers.

      • zenlifefrugal
        June 30, 2011 at 1:29 am (3 years ago)

        I guess this idea of “face” occurs kinda across Asia. Koreans are very much like that as well. Being able to look and do well is very important; going against the norms or doing poorly tends to be looked down upon.

        • Jin @hkgirltalk
          June 30, 2011 at 1:35 am (3 years ago)

          Having “face” and avoiding losing “face” are very important in Asia especially China. Because it is not just about you but also your family, because your family means your blood and your ancestors, and so your pedigree.

          It’s always related to family in the end, or at least partially related.

          • zenlifefrugal
            June 30, 2011 at 1:40 am (3 years ago)

            I understand that feeling. Good names are important. It takes just one person to ruin the name for an entire family.

            Having dated some Koreans, one can notice how big of a deal being able to look good to others and having a good name is. I would imagine that the Chinese would go through a similar thing as well.

            In way, it happens here in the USA as well. Not as forward or direct, but on a subconscious level of sorts.

          • Jin @hkgirltalk
            June 30, 2011 at 1:43 am (3 years ago)

            Like what other readers said, “in Korea, fashion is the king”. Korean girls need to look good for them to feel good.

            But in Hong Kong and China, you have to look good because you want because to think that you are a good person. Funny huh?

          • zenlifefrugal
            June 30, 2011 at 1:46 am (3 years ago)

            In a way, that’s kinda ironic. Kinda a matter of “faking until you make it” (or basically, trying to look good until things get better) syndrome.

          • Jin @hkgirltalk
            June 30, 2011 at 1:47 am (3 years ago)

            It’s more like “because things get better, it’s time to look good in that way”. ;P

          • zenlifefrugal
            June 30, 2011 at 1:51 am (3 years ago)

            I see. Interesting perspective. Not sure I follow that mindset. But if it works for them, all the power to them!

          • Jin @hkgirltalk
            June 30, 2011 at 7:19 am (3 years ago)

            It would be interesting to see the change of Hong Kong people’s self identity. :)

  4. Jeff
    June 30, 2011 at 7:54 am (3 years ago)

    Is because they afraid to admit their original roots. HK people, especially young girls, afraid to lose that fragile mask of cutie-beautie angel girl. Or “High Status” girl. They afraid people to see their real nature, that’s why they hate to be called chinese, because it is what they truly are. There is nothing wrong with being chinese or have chinese roots or any other nation. Seems many HK people just hate their true origin.

    • Jin @hkgirltalk
      June 30, 2011 at 8:00 am (3 years ago)

      Thanks for your comment Jeff. It’s no doubt that Hong Kongers are Chinese in nature, what make them different is the ever-changing political status and economic development because of the colonial effect. It might just be an excuse for Hong Kong people to try to appear as high-status, or they are just afraid of being a Chinese because of China’s fluctuating image on the international relations. I guess this is what the “fear” you said comes from. In the capitalism economy, everyone wants to be high-status and prestigious, Hong Kong people are also under great influence of capitalism.

      • nicolewong23
        March 3, 2012 at 5:34 pm (2 years ago)

        Not necessarily, it is not because of ‘high status’ or ‘shame/face’ etc.
        It is because when they come to Hong Kong they do not follow our rules, even if we warn them. it happens all the time. they spit on the floor, they eat in the trains when clearly, there are dozens of ‘please do not eat or drink in the train’ and when the subway/train opens its doors they do not wait for the people to come out, they charge in not caring. They even called us dogs and bastards etc. (it was broadcasted on the news and to youtube) so tell me, if someone trashes your country and insults you, would you like them?

        • Jin
          March 6, 2012 at 4:43 pm (2 years ago)

          Thanks for your comment, Nicole.

          No one would like people who don’t obey our laws.

          Bear in mind, Hong Kong-ese sometimes don’t follow rules either, but the point is, “we can break the law, you Mainlander can’t”.

          So the point here is, while we HK-ese blaming Mainlanders on breaking the law, we ourselves should think about what we should do rather than what others should do.

          I trust that you’re a great HK citizen. What I refer to above is those who aren’t.

          • nicolewong23
            March 6, 2012 at 7:55 pm (2 years ago)

            I’m not saying we can break the law, let’s put it this way, an person barges into your home, and does whatever he wants and when he has had enough he leaves. Do you see where I’m getting at?
            Even animals, such as dogs for examples, when they enter another dog’s territory they won’t do what they usually do in their territory. I know not all Mainlanders act like the stereotypical mainlanders i suppose? but in terms of generalizing the majority of them, sadly it’s true.
            I once went to visit China because of a school trip for 7 days, I believed. On the first few days i arrived, I got scammed quite a lot and, people pointed, at me and started whispering for some apparent reason. But my main point is that, most people don’t actually hear the HKer’s side of the story to why we detest the mainalanders so much and assumes we are snobby and arrogant people.

          • Jin
            March 8, 2012 at 10:40 am (2 years ago)

            I’m sorry that you had bad experience.

            Well, experiences do affect people’s sentiment. Good luck to you.

          • eyeren
            December 18, 2012 at 9:05 pm (2 years ago)

            I totally agree with what you say. I know that not all Mainlanders act like the stereotypical mainlanders because I have some as friends. And yes, I also saw that video of them calling us dogs; that was very impertinent of them. I do admit that I call myself a Chinese during every Olympic. Hong Kong is quite a small place after all; we don’t have that many athletes. I really admire those really cool hard-working athletes, but when @Jin said: ‘Bear in mind, Hong Kong-ese sometimes don’t follow rules either, but the point is, “we can break the law, you Mainlander can’t”.’, I disagree. I do think that some Hong Kongese should improve their manners, but mainlanders, woah, way too far. Those rude Hong Kongese shouldn’t spit on the ground, and neither should the mainlanders.
            Once I went to Ocean Park. I could very well tell who was from mainland China and who wasn’t. The ones that did walked right in front of someone taking a photo, turns out I was right because they spoke fluent Beijing accent (or some other accent) Mandarin afterwards.
            I can’t be bothered to continue, but you know where I’m getting at.

  5. Jeff
    July 1, 2011 at 4:53 am (3 years ago)

    Hong Kong original population is very diverse. You can meet different kinds of people, different mentality, styles, views, backgrounds. Some of them would correct you each time you call them Chinese in context that they live near China. Not Korea or Japan. Some take it without any sub-meaning and big emotion. It is good to be proud of your place and culture you are born into. Face it, many HK people are born in Mainland China. Maybe it is that “Style” thing that then don’t feel comfortable with. People are so concerned what others with think about them in some situation, when in fact others don’t really think much about it..

    • Jin @hkgirltalk
      July 1, 2011 at 9:13 am (3 years ago)

      They are very diverse. Most of them don’t really “come from” Hong Kong, de facto, they are Chinese technically because Hong Kong is now a part of China. When people say something god about China in conversations, they would probably admit that they’re Chinese, otherwise they say they’re Hong Kongese. I think they not only have different mentality in expressing their self-identity, but also different ways to express this identity, and it is very much dependent on the situations where they need to express it. Whatever it is beneficial for them to show that they’re doing better and they’re high-status, they would do it. Hong Kong is very status-oriented.

  6. Sara
    July 9, 2011 at 6:10 pm (3 years ago)

    Thank you for this interesting post! I’m living in Guangzhou and have been to Hong Kong only twice which obviously isn’t enough to know or understand Hong Kong. I just found your blog today and hope it will open up Hong Kong for me (or atleast a part of it).

    • Jin
      July 9, 2011 at 8:29 pm (3 years ago)

      Thanks for stopping over my blog and your comment Sara.I’m glad that you like reading my blog. I think there are a lot of cultural phenomena that is worth exploring in Hong Kong. I also took a look of your blog, interesting writings and perspectives of a non-Chinese. :)

  7. Nick
    July 11, 2011 at 11:59 pm (3 years ago)

    Even though HK is technically part of China, people would still consider themselves from HK and not China. It’s only natural to do so because that’s where they are from.
    Ask someone from Scotland whether they consider themselves to be British or Scottish? I’m a Scot will be more than likely the answer. And I don’t see a problem with that.

    That has nothing to do with pride or supremacy. Surely there are people who think like that, but it’s not as black and white as you portray it. That HK people are lost, hypocrite and suffer from identity crisis, that’s rubbish. That’s what YOU (and your know it all gweimui point of view) make of it.

    • Jin
      July 12, 2011 at 12:03 am (3 years ago)

      Thanks for your comment, Nick. I think Hong Kong people just try to be specific about where they are from. It’s natural that people from an independent region would distinguish themselves from people in other provinces. Just like Shanghai people would say they’re from Shanghai because it’s a municipality city. I also don’t see a problem with that, I’m just saying why Hong Kong people are like that.

      I don’t know if it is what I made of it, but HK people are still HK people, nothing can change them.

  8. 王帅
    July 21, 2011 at 3:08 am (3 years ago)

    I think the people from shanghai ,zhejiang and jiangsu are more white than HK People besides shanghainese think hkers are rich , tanned and shorter people
    And Ive been in HK most of the people are tanned skin and the color skin is not about because they work indoor or outdoor is because the fujian and guangdong heritage most of hong kong people have

    • Jin
      July 21, 2011 at 7:20 am (3 years ago)

      Thanks for your comment. Yes, a lot of people in China think that Hong Kongers are rich, but Hong Kongers are shorter indeed. For the skin tone, I think that Zhejiang and Beijing people are very white, it might be because of the whether (which is more cold than that in Hong Kong). The reason who Hong Kong people’s skin colour is more tanned than people in the northern region is obvious – Hong Kong is a sub-tropical region where there is more sunlight.

      For the Fujian and Guangdong heritage part, I’m not that sure. Fujian and Guangdong people are less white than Zhejiang and Beijing people genetically anyway. But what I’m try to say in the article is that in the old days where Mainlanders still worked in the field, Hong Kong people were indeed way more white physically, now it might not be the case.

  9. Cal
    July 24, 2011 at 6:32 am (3 years ago)

    I dont understand. When a New Yorker says, ‘I am from New York’, no one makes a fuss about it. When a Honger says, ‘I am from HKG’, everyone (well, those who bothers to care) raises their eyebrows.

    Most people would agree that ‘New York is not the US’ (in terms of representation); why can’t Hong Kong fill the comparable spot for China?

    Isn’t such sensitivity a sign of an inferiority complex of those over-reacted?
    At the end of the day, who cares? The mainland Chinese nowadays are in charge of livelihood of Hong Kong. Everyone here does know who the BOSS is.

    • Jin
      July 24, 2011 at 2:24 pm (3 years ago)

      Thanks for your comment, Cal.

      Hong Kong people think that they’re more superior because that is the tradition created by the old Chinese society before when China was still very undeveloped. Now Mainland Chinese people don’t care anymore because some of them are getting even more rich then Hong Kong people. It’s just that HK people still want to appear as high-status as always so this mindset won’t be changed in a short time.

      New York might not be the US, and so HK is not China as well.

      I think that you might be right that HK people are over-reacted, the boss is the Chinese people of course, but HK people are still proud of their being superior in the old days.

  10. CP
    July 31, 2011 at 9:03 pm (3 years ago)

    This is a really good post, HKgirl, and you sum things up really well. HKers generally look down on mainlanders but yet take pride in being “Chinese” when things are going good. This is a really major issue that’s frustrated me, being HK-born, because it seems quite hypocritical. I get that HKers have enjoyed a lot higher standard of living than mainlanders (and still do), but it doesn’t make them intrinsically superior. For instance, all these efficient laws, standards and institutions were developed by the British which HKers as loyal subjects benefited from.
    As I said, you sum up the complexity of the issue really well, so I’m not taking issue with you. I really wish HKers can be more openminded and more tolerant of mainlanders. On the other hand, I can sense some slight feelings of insecurity with HKers over China’s growing power, such as linguistically with the increasing importance of Mandarin or the decreasing standards of English.

    • Jin
      July 31, 2011 at 9:20 pm (3 years ago)

      Thanks for your comment CP. I think that HKers have mixed feeling being a Hong Kong citizen with the Chinese nationality. You’re right that they take credits of China’s being good and avoid being a ‘Chinese’ when China is not doing well. I think what makes the whole thing sad is that HKers are being too insecure about their own identity. There’s no needs to care about the labels that much as long as you’re proud of being who you are being.

      Thanks for your comment again. I will write more articles. I feel like there are not a lot of blogs in HK having discussions like this. :)

  11. Felix
    August 15, 2011 at 8:45 am (3 years ago)

    Culturally and linguistically, people of Hong Kong are Chinese. I think they just hate to be associated with the People’s Republic of China. Because of Hong Kong’s British colonial history, they somehow consider China to be foreign and beneath them. “Chinese” doesn’t only refer to the People’s Republic of China, it applies to everyone who has Chinese heritage. It’s just sad when people abandon their ethnic identity because of politics.

    • Jin
      August 15, 2011 at 8:59 am (3 years ago)

      True. I agree that to define a nation, it’s people’ blood and original heritage that matter. Hong Kongers’ not recognizing themselves as Chinese is to show their superiority and separation from the criticisms borne by China. It’s like a self-defence. However, when there’s any comprises enjoyed by China, Hong Kong also wants to take the credit. Sometimes I doubt that if Hong Kong people know who they are. I believe that time will tell.

  12. Harold
    August 21, 2011 at 2:14 pm (3 years ago)

    This is a very true and insightful post. I live in BC Canada and we now have a very large hong-kong chinese population, especially in vancouver and richmond. The majority of these people came in the early 90′s as they feared the hand-over of Hong Kong to Mainland China. They felt they would have lost freedoms or their capitalist ways of living.

    And, for the longest time, in class or other places, when asked, they would say they are from Hong Kong. This was because China was still poor and the cities were not as developed as Hong Kong. But now, Beijing, Shanghai are better than Hong Kong, and the economy of China is the strongest in the world, and now everyone says they are Chinese and they love China.

    During the Beijing Olympics, they openly cheered for China, and yet during the Winter Olympics, they cheered for Canada. I am not against this, but it seems, Hong Kong Chinese only show love for the Mainland when it is for their benefit or suits them.

    • Jin
      August 22, 2011 at 1:14 am (3 years ago)

      Thanks for your comment Harold.

      I think in exactly the same way as what you think. Hong Kong Chinese only recognize their “Chinese” root when the Chinese government is doing well in the international stage, for example during Beijing Olympics. It’s not that they hate being a Chinese, it’s just that Hong Kong’s culture has long been developed into one that status is of utmost important to everyone. When there’s something HK people can use to show their status, they would do it. Self-identification is a way to show their status. That’s why HK people especially like showing their status by bringing down Chinese, or not recognizing themselves as Chinese.

      But as the Chinese economy becomes stronger and stronger, HK people’s thinking may change. Whether it’s good or not? Who knows. HK people are still who they are. Status is still very important for them. As China is gaining status, their self-identification will also exchange accordingly.

      • Harold
        August 25, 2011 at 1:37 am (3 years ago)

        Yes that is true Jin, however, unlike Taiwan which is a regional governmental split, this has to do with a cultural/intellectual split.

        Hong Kong people actually think they are better than people from the Mainland. Although many people in Taiwan say they are from Taiwan, they always say they are Chinese first. I’ve never heard anyone say “I am Taiwanese”…

        I remember in one of my poli sci classes at university, we were talking about how it is beneficial for people from BC to learn Mandarin or Hindi for the future and not French since China and India will rise, and most of the HK people in class, even though they are now Canadian-born or raised, said that Mandarin is for lower-class worker Chinese and that the rich and elites speak Cantonese and that if you wanted to do business in China or HK, Cantonese would get you further.

        This seems extraordinary no? You would hardly see anyone disassociate themselves with their own country/cultural group simply because they perceive it to be below them. And yet, if there is a Beijing Olympics they are carrying the PRC flag, but when it was Olympics, they would say we are Hong Konger/Canadians etc.

        I agree that eventually the Mainland China will surpass Hong Kong in all aspects from living standards, eventually more open/democratic government, but if they are so rooted in their ways, I think there will always be a “we are cantonese hong konger” mentality no? Hong Kong itself is being less associated as a separate entity, but most HK people still believe they are somehow separate.

        Please let me know what you think. All the HK people I have met, have led me to believe they are “chinese for convenience” meaning that they are Chinese when the government or mainland is doing good, but HK when it is doing bad.

        • Jin
          August 25, 2011 at 1:58 am (3 years ago)

          Thanks for your comment again, Harold.

          Hong Kong people consider themselves as “Hong Kongese” because they have been historically more rich than Mainland Chinese and Taiwainese. In the old days, when Mainland China was still under developed with limited travel facilities, Hong Kong people always went to Taiwan for a short trip where they found the money were in good value (because they earn a lot for them to spend in Taiwan).

          Now China is growing fast while Taiwan is also doing good, Hong Kong people’s insecurity emerge. The more they’re scared of being surpassed, the more superior they want to appear before outsiders. When outsiders ask HK people where they are from, they would then say “I’m from Hong Kong”. For Taiwan, it was not a colony after all. Also, Taiwan’s political separation from China is originated from the defeat of the other political party before China got united in 1949. So Taiwanese are Chinese in nature.

          While for Hong Kong, it was under the governance of the Great Britain, there were lots of cultural influx and inter-cultural exchange. Meanwhile, Europe and America were considered strong countries historically, so it was a natural result for Hong Kong people to consider themselves a bit more international and hence, “superior” than Mainland Chinese or Taiwainese.

          Hong Kong’s economic prosperity has created lots of status-conscious people. To lift up their status, HK people make use of every time they can, hence the mentality of “I’m a Chinese” when China is doing good and the “I’m a Hong Kongese” when China is not doing well.

          Hope that answer your questions.

          • John
            February 28, 2012 at 1:09 pm (2 years ago)

            I don’t quite agree with that statement in which Taiwanese are still considered Chinese or that Hong Kong people are considered chinese, because then you would have to apply that same rule to Americans and British. Most Caucasians in North America originated from Europe, why are they not called British or French?
            The way I see it is, people seem to forget that nations are found and destroyed every once in awhile, and most people are originated from the same root if we track our DNA deep enough. The whole Hong Kong Taiwan Chna thing is best seen as Australia, British, Americans. Each with different accent, culture and lifestyle standards despite them all speaking the same language. Taiwan;s mandarin is very different than China’s mandarin just like how british’s english are different than aussie’s or americans. Now with Hon Kong cantonese is actually a different language, it’d be like French instead of English. The way I see it now, Hong Kong nowadays is sort of like French Canadians.

          • John
            February 28, 2012 at 1:20 pm (2 years ago)

            Also I forgot to say that time changes people, 100 + years are significant enough to change the way of people. I mean if we track deep enough, maybe most asians are originated from the same place, maybe Japanese was once part of Chinese in another era or time that got cut off from our historical understandings. We pretty much have to map our DNA really deep to find out.

          • Jin
            February 28, 2012 at 1:26 pm (2 years ago)

            Exactly. Our identity is just a “language”. We can interpret the same meanings of different languages in different ways.

            Chinese, Asian, Japanese, HK-ese. Taiwanese. These are just words.

          • Jin
            February 28, 2012 at 1:26 pm (2 years ago)

            Exactly. Our identity is just a “language”. We can interpret the same meanings of different languages in different ways.

            Chinese, Asian, Japanese, HK-ese. Taiwanese. These are just words.

          • Jin
            February 28, 2012 at 1:24 pm (2 years ago)

            I think that a person’s identity is defined by the way he lives, the culture he believe it and the life he’s been living.

            If you’re Chinese in root but live in Canada for your whole life, you don’t consider yourself as Chinese. You think of yourself as a Canadian. That’s how you express yourself to people in general.

            Deep down, you might still want to embrace the culture of your root country and so sometimes you call yourself “Chinese” even though you don’t even speak Chinese and live in other country for your whole life.

            Because of the different ways of presentation, others find it confusing as to who you are. In the end, self-identification is an issue you need to solve by yourself. We all have different judgement and opinions. There is no absolute answer. We represent ourselves in different ways to make it more efficient for the society to understand and support.

            My opinion here is that Hong Kong is still Chinese in root, but the cultural and historical background make them unique in some sense so it’s hard for them and for others to tell who they really are.

          • Elye
            September 13, 2012 at 10:06 pm (2 years ago)

            You’re making the assumption that HK-ers don’t know who they are. Alot of HKers KNOW who they are. I don’t know one HK-er who has denied they are Chinese in root. Saying you are Chinese does not need to mean you are from China, it could just mean you are of Chinese heritage. There’s no need for HK-ers to say they are Chinese in most cases too because it is almost inherent that they are from Chinese heritage if they say they are Hong Kongers given the homogeneity of HK. As a Chinese Canadian, I have never felt any of my family or friends in HK having a problem saying they are Chinese; what they don’t identify with is being called mainlander. To you say that all HKers have an identity crisis seems like a huge generalization.

  13. My Kafkaesque life
    August 25, 2011 at 8:26 am (3 years ago)

    Dear Harold, let me comment on your part about Taiwanee. Maybe you haven’t heard anyone say “I am Taiwanese!”, but you can’t base your argument on that fact. I live in Taiwan and believe me, majority of my Taiwanese friends and coworkers would say “I am Taiwanese!” before “I am Chinese!” when it comes to nationality. Many would say they have Chinese roots, heritage, parts of culture, but it goes beyond the identity crisis of Hong Kongers. Taiwanese vs. Chinese is for me similar to what happened to Austrians after 1945. They saw themselves as Germans and gradually developed their own identity. The difference is, that Germany has no issues with that, but Taiwan/China is too complex to explain in a comment, even in an essay. I’m living in Taiwan and observing all these contradictions and still trying to understand how Taiwanese think and function. One day I hope I can write an in-depth analysis, but for now I’ll leave it at this.

    • Jin
      August 26, 2011 at 2:01 pm (3 years ago)

      To me, Taiwanese are less against to being a Chinese but they would still say that “I’m a Taiwanese” first. That would be cool if you write an in-depth article about how Taiwanese recognize their identity. :)

  14. My Kafkaesque life
    August 26, 2011 at 2:37 pm (3 years ago)

    Jin, Taiwanese idenitity is a very complex issue full of contradictions, whether a person is pro China as PRC or pro China as ROC or pro Taiwan – there are usually no simple answers. I hear “We Chinese” or “We Taiwanese” interchangeably, but when they say Chinese, they don’t mean it as Nationals of PRC or even ROC,, but as 華人 or even 漢人, more in a cultural way. I’d say majority of Taiwanese are in this area, but there are also extremes, very pro Taiwanese or very pro Chinese. Not sure I will ever be able to relate to this complexity as a foreigner :)

    • Jin
      August 26, 2011 at 2:46 pm (3 years ago)

      Thanks for the insightful explanation! Sometimes I don’t know how to distinguish between 華人 or 漢人, not to mention how Taiwanese refer themselves to PRC or ROC. I feel like when people recognize themselves as Chinese, they relate it to a cultural way as you say. After all, China is a huge country with 5,000 years of history. That’s also what makes things complicated in China

  15. Chan
    January 28, 2012 at 10:41 pm (2 years ago)

    I am from Hong Kong, the 1 country 2 system is more or less running, but China is violating this contract bit by bit. Our government is not democratic, only 50% of the legislation council is democratic.

    15years after the handover, a recent poll conducted by HK University (http://hkupop.hku.hk/english/popexpress/ethnic/eidentity/poll/datatables.html) for People’s Ethnic Identity shows that :

    HK Citizen: 37.7%
    HK Citizen (of China): 25.3%
    Chinese Citizen (of HK): 17.8%
    Chinese Citizen: 16.6%
    Others: 0.6%
    Unknown: 2.1%

    Note that HK Citizen sector (sum of 63.0%) is way higher of the Chinese citizen sector (sum of 35.4), in which Pure HK Citizen is more than double of the Pure Chinese citizen shows how much we DON’T recognize with China.

    China cannot become the next superpower by replacing USA, it must not happen.
    Look at what they (note that I used “they”) are doing to the people in Tibet (non-Han origin), what do you think they are going to do to the world once they don’t need to fear or care about your country.

    Thank God that Obama finally realized it and is moving the USA focus from Middle East to East Asia. We need to keep them Chinese govt in check.

    Chan From Hong Kong

    • mina
      February 15, 2012 at 2:54 am (2 years ago)

      I absolutely agree with you. I am from hk. I see how the china gov’t are violating the one country two systems in Hong kong. It is important that USA remain as one of the superpower to keep China in check. Both China and USA need to keep each other in check to avoid either one country from complete dominance.
      I have to say, the 7 millions population in Hk..only 5 millions are hongkongese, the rest are foreigners from china, india, and other countries. So there are only probably a little less than 2 millions hk women to give birth to the next hk generation..and which now they claim hk women has one of the lowest birth rate in the world. The china women comes in flock to give birth using hk benefits for free and getting citizenship. Hong kong people and our cultures are facing extinction.

      • Jin
        February 16, 2012 at 10:41 am (2 years ago)

        I hope that Hong Kong people will try to preserve our culture. While blaming on others’ cultural invasion, we ourselves should try to appreciate our own culture rather than just adapting other people’s culture, e.g. the way of dressing, the dining culture and the language used for daily conversation (some HK-ese speak English with fellow HK-ese).

    • anz
      May 23, 2012 at 4:04 pm (2 years ago)

      chan is absolutley right. the reasons that HKers dislike mainland china is the same reasons the rest of the world dislike , fear or are suspicious of china in general. the PRC wants EVERYONE to kkowtow to beijing , look at the way they treat their own people, imagine what they would do to the whites and “the lesser races” of the world if they were in charge…our children would be defecating and pissing in the street, malls.airplanes…

  16. cvm888ordon
    February 27, 2012 at 9:25 pm (2 years ago)

    Hk peeps think they are white ( british) and want to hide the fact that beneath the shadow of tall steel towers, mighty financial centers, they were once just exactly like the mainlanders, poor, unwashed and uncouth..the world sees the chinese as such – now its the hongkongers turn to look down on someone (since the hongkies have been looked down upon by the colonial masters for so long) its just ironic that the HK peeps are looking down upon thier own race…they also forget that HK success story was written by the white people -…the pot calling the kettle black s they might say..

    • Jin
      February 28, 2012 at 9:38 am (2 years ago)

      Maybe some of the HK people think that they’re white, but deep down, there are still a lot of uniqueness in terms of culture, social stability, language etc. that are different from Mainland China. You can say that every person who has a Chinese root is Chinese, of course. But when you see them as a person who grows up in different culture compared with the ones who grow up in Mainland China, the former might not even sound like a Chinese (the type of Chinese in China).

      So, I agreed with you in some points, but also think that you should judge the world more precisely and consider the contexts of each situation rather than the big picture.

  17. lola
    March 2, 2012 at 5:36 pm (2 years ago)

    i think the hkers are proud to be hkers (and thats ok)- and yes i do see how hkers want to =have a distinct identity than the mainland chinese if i were a hker i would not want to be associated with mainlanders who make me look bad – having said that i have been to hk for over twenty years on business and pleasure i can assure you – you will not find any other place where the people are so rude!!! ask anyone whos been to hk shops and they will tell you the shopkeeper will get mad at you if you ask price and not buy!
    the hk people only want to see you spend, if you cant spend your useless!

    another useless debate is identity – to the whole world you are chinese wether or not you come from hk or taiwan or mainland – your generation should start learning manners before its too late for hk..

    • Jin
      March 2, 2012 at 5:40 pm (2 years ago)

      Thanks for sharing your experience, Lola!

      I’m sorry that you have bad experience with the shop staff here. In my own experience, they’re usually quite nice. Of course there are bad ones. I have to say sometimes the customer’s manner matters as well. (don’t take it personal)

      But to be honest, the society in HK is quite extreme now. People are either so nice, so rude or so crazy. I’m not sure if it has to do with the widening income gap and immigrant influx. It does make HK more interesting for me to write about, though! :)

    • mainlander
      April 13, 2012 at 12:46 pm (2 years ago)

      that has a lot to do with a less developed sense of honour. lacking sense of honour, one could easily resort to cheat, abuse and vulgarity for short term gain.

    • eyeren
      December 18, 2012 at 10:00 pm (2 years ago)

      Well, that’s true for everywhere around the world. I am not happy with that French lady I met in a cafe when I just wanted to get a drink. Anyways, there are nice hong kong peeps and rude ones like Jin has mentioned. And as I said earlier, this applies to everywhere in the world, but maybe in hong kong, there are more rudies than nicies … ? AND which is why people usually say, ‘I’ll come back and have a look later’ or ‘Thanks’ and smile when you’re only asking what the price is. I’m sure everyone knows that there are other shops where you can buy the same thing. If they want to take it out on you, that’s fine because there’s always competition in this world. Well, at least that’s what I think: ‘Curse me if you want; it won’t do you any good; you won’t see me again, if you do, you won’t even remember me~’ … yeah …

  18. westy
    March 2, 2012 at 5:42 pm (2 years ago)

    i think the chinese in general are so out of step with what is moral, polite and classy being wealthy does not buy class.

    • Jin
      March 2, 2012 at 5:46 pm (2 years ago)

      The super local Chinese? I think in general, yes – even those living in top-tier cities like Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou. In Hong Kong, I can’t judge. I think I just get used to it, sometimes wealthy people are very rude and un-classy, but I noticed those educated overseas are of better manners.

  19. mainlander
    April 3, 2012 at 6:14 pm (2 years ago)

    interesting self-stereotyping of hk ppl. for the much loaded cantonese pride, it just happens that i came across a comment about cantonese ppl: “…every negative Western stereotype about asians can be attributed to the Cantonese: thick lips, buck teeth, flat nose, stout and dark, ching chong language, dirty, uncouth, spitting, blowing snot rockets, you name it…”

  20. foobar
    April 9, 2012 at 9:39 pm (2 years ago)

    Hong Kong people should stop feeling superior to the mainland Chinese and to Westerners who are not British because they are not superior to anyone. Compared to the Chinese Hong Kong people are short, fat and/or ugly. Hong Kong is not less corrupted than China, and if HKers are poorer now they should blame it on their speculation economy. Those who are with China when China performs well and against China when China performs bad are turncoats. If Hong Kong people do not like China then why don´t they all leave to Britain.

    • Anthony Taiwanese-Chinese
      June 24, 2012 at 12:28 am (2 years ago)

      Very well said if they despise there own Chinese roots they can be a Brit in there next life. I for one is proud to be of Chinese roots and I make sure I let all the foreigners dont f— with any of us.

  21. mainlander
    April 13, 2012 at 12:32 pm (2 years ago)

    feeling superior? good for hk ppl. given the world is made up of differences for us to make judgement upon, its mere human to be discriminatory and thats how we human have progressed. one key feature of our intuition is to discriminate ppl based on their look and we are intuitively attracted to good look.

    for those who have had the experience of living in china, they are probably aware of the disregard for the cantonese clan by other chinese, especially the northerners. call it superficial but look has always been super important in our perception of ourselves and other ppl. that is also why hakka ppl(origined from central china but moved to live in the south) prefer to differentiate themselves from the cantonese. from my own personal encounters, hakka ppl tend to look more refine, taller and of lighter skin tone. even with the cantonese’ economic affluence in the last few decades(merely becoz of early headstart and china’s political misfortune rather than anything intrinsic of cantonese origin), this “looking down at the cantonese” sensation persists. with this understanding, one should be able to easily empathize with some hk ppl’s need to indulge in this precious sense of betterment before hk’s “exclusive and prestigous” glory becomes a nostalgia backflash.

  22. mainlander
    April 13, 2012 at 12:36 pm (2 years ago)

    genetically many cantonese are actually more connected to viets and thais than to chinese of central or northern origin, which explains the physical resemblance between cantonese and other SE asians(the accents as well). from my personal encounters, if i run into a cantoense-speaker who looks more refine, tall and of fairer skin tone, it turns out his/ her recent ancestral root, more likely than not, is from outside the cantonese area.

  23. mainlander
    April 13, 2012 at 12:38 pm (2 years ago)

    A 3rd party’s(non-Chinese) view on difference between southern Cantonese and northern mainlanders:

    “Regarding the superficial references….this has nothing to do with tv/movie stars. I live in San Francisco where theres a large Cantonese population and growing numbers of mainlanders. I dont deny that the lines are extremely blurry, but for the most part, its not very hard to tell the difference between Cantonese speakers and Mandarin speakers.

    I dont have the luxury of actually comparing the features of people in China. I can only base my assumptions on those who migrate to my area. Those who speak Mandarin have a look much more similar to Koreans and Japanese compared to their Cantonese counterparts. Those in the North tend to have larger nose and noseridges, more of a “white” skin color, small slanted eyes and taller in height… As for the Cantonese people, for the most part, there are a mixture of “pure” Chinese blood and tribes of South Asia or a more malayan look”

  24. Ronald M Kim
    April 24, 2012 at 2:16 pm (2 years ago)

    Oh, I guess this article is all about the self-identity of Hong Kong people. Based on what I’ve found, even though Hong Kong dislike being associated with Mainland Compatriots, or called Chinese whenever the negative image of Mainland China comes up, but they still worry their compatriot across the border, like Taiwanese people do (especially for Taiwanese people who fled to Taiwan from Mainland China including Hong Kong, after World War 2 (台灣外省人)).

    However, unlike Hong Kong people and Taiwanese, it seems like most ethnic Chinese people from Southeast Asia (excluding the new Chinese immigrants from their ancestral homeland), chiefly Chinese Singaporeans, are indifferent to their ancestral homeland like it is none of their business.

  25. mycheung
    April 30, 2012 at 10:39 am (2 years ago)

    Cantonese people are actually of a different ethnic group than those from the northern due to China having been constantly invaded by northern tribes such as the Huns, Jin, Mongols, and Manchus. Cantonese people are a lot more closer in relation to those in Vietnam because the ancient 南越國 spanned from Vietnam to southern Chinese provinces such as Guangdong and Fujian until it was annexed by ancient China around the Han Dynasty onwards.

  26. Cheungcheung
    May 13, 2012 at 3:19 pm (2 years ago)


    • Cheungcheung
      May 13, 2012 at 3:21 pm (2 years ago)


    • OK
      January 2, 2013 at 1:52 pm (2 years ago)

      Silly! You Mainlanders are just like pigs’ head, fat round face with tiny features.

  27. Mickey
    June 1, 2012 at 2:27 pm (2 years ago)

    I understand there are both good people and bad people in any country, but my experience in Hong Kong was very depressing…

    Please let me explain what happened to me and my wife yesterday: I am a Japanese who got married to a Chinese woman, and we were trying to go to Japan to hold a wedding ceremony tomorrow. Since it was quicker and cheaper to fly from Hong Kong, we decided to fly from there. Additionally, because she is pregnant, we obtained extra documents to get to an airplane.

    HOWEVER, the Hong Kong Immigration REJECTED her to get in to Hong Kong even I am with her to explain we just want to get into Hong Kong to fly to Japan!!! My wife had a visa to stay in Japan which took some time, and we made sure to bring all the supporting documents to fly, but the immigration officer simply said “… the locals are treated differently… the doctor’s letter is not sufficient enough to accept you to China”!! It was very shocking moment, and my wife could say nothing but to cry. Since I hold Japanese citizenship, I explained we are not interested in Hong Kong citizenship, but the inspector kept denying….

    I understand that some Chinese people cause troubles to Hong Kong, but they way Hong Kong treated my wife was simply heartless… I think some Hong Kong people have serious problems about “I am better than the Chinese locals” attitudes, but I think this is passing over the human rights. Hong Kong people should learn if they discriminate people like that, they cannot say anything if they will get discriminated when Hong Kong will be governed by China. Please let me explain what happened to me and my wife yesterday: I am a Japanese who got married to a Chinese woman, and we were trying to go to Japan to hold a wedding ceremony tomorrow. Since it was quicker and cheaper to fly from Hong Kong, we decided to fly from there. Additionally, because she is pregnant, we obtained extra documents to get to an airplane.
    HOWEVER, the Hong Kong Immigration REJECTED her to get in to Hong Kong even I am with her to explain we just want to get into Hong Kong to fly to Japan!!! My wife had a visa to stay in Japan which took some time, and we made sure to bring all the supporting documents to fly, but the immigration officer simply said “… the locals are treated differently… the doctor’s letter is not sufficient enough to accept you to China”!! It was very shocking moment, and my wife could say nothing but to cry. Since I hold Japanese citizenship, I explained we are not interested in Hong Kong citizenship, but the inspector kept denying….

    I understand that some Chinese people cause troubles to Hong Kong, but they way Hong Kong treated my wife was simply heartless… I think some Hong Kong people have serious problems about “I am better than the Chinese locals” attitudes, but I think this is coming into human rights. Hong Kong people should learn if they discriminate people like that, they cannot say anything if they will get discriminated when Hong Kong will be governed by China. So sad…

  28. Mickey
    June 2, 2012 at 9:14 am (2 years ago)

    I want to add to my previous comment: after I left the Hong Kong immigration point, my wife told me the HK immigration officers conducted body check on her, and said something like “you must be trying to trick to have a baby in Hong Kong” with some nasty words. BTW, my wife bought a ticket from China to Japan, and there was no problem… Basically Hong Kong’s position is “WE DO NOT ACCEPT ANY CHINESE LOCAL PREGNANT WOMEN,” but they never actually said that. Because of this, we got humiliated and lost time/ money, and I feel some (of course, not all, but) Hong Kong people are very snobby and arrogant.

    This happened at HuangGang-Hong Kong check point on 2012 May 31st. I really would like to get some apologies from them. At the same time, if you have any idea how to make this information public, please give me your thoughts. Your support is highly appreciated…

    • mainlander
      June 5, 2012 at 1:57 pm (2 years ago)

      i m very sorry for what had happened to u and ur wife. one option i can now think of is perhaps u could write to the South China Morning Post(SCMP)’s “letters to the editor” thru email(letters@scmp.com) (keep it <400words, including full name, address and phone number). SCMP is a well respected english newspaper in hong kong and widely circulated among public organizations and international companies. i notice the government’s departments often respond to issues concerning their service raised in the said page.

      the increasing expectant mainland mothers coming to have their babies born in hk has caused many problems for hk in the last couple years, just imagine the impact of even 0.001% of a 13billion population on the medical resources of a 7 million-ppl city. both sides’ governments are yet to work out sth more effective than stopping ppl at the border. not that i try to excuse the immigration staff off ur bad experience, but just hoping a bit background information might help u understand why ur wife could actually fall victim to the situation.

      this “better than mainland chinese” sentiment is not only prevalent in hk but among many overseas chinese too. being a mainlander myself, i had some hard time dealing with it at the beginning but have been more at ease now after realising its only human nature to be discriminatory towards the backward if we all aspire to improve and progress. china is still a developing country and still poor and backward in many ways which is why so many mainlanders look for better oppotunities and future beyond the chinese border for themselves and for their children.

      • Mickey
        June 7, 2012 at 12:40 am (2 years ago)

        Dear mainlander, thank you for your support.

        I kinda understand that it is probably a human nature to feel they are superior to other people, but living in U.S. for long time taught me a lot of lessons. It is not their gender, race, or citizenship which affects their position, but it is rather their feeling, motivation and acts which affect what they are… well… I now understand why some HK people are not really happy with the Chinese people based on the number you gave me (7 million is a lot!), but I wish people will not judge the other people based on one incident. (Same is true for some Japanese people hating China and some Chinese hating Japan…)
        I will try South China post and see how it will go~

  29. Thor
    June 16, 2012 at 7:56 am (2 years ago)

    I’ve been living with a Hong Kongese room now for 8 months. He absolutely refuses that he’s from China, and doesn’t even want to try to explain it to me. Also in my school there are a lot of people from Hong Kong which are pretty much the same.

    I now have some understanding of it, and I thank you for that.
    However I am now quite dissappointed that it’s because they think they are “superior” to others that they refuse to be called Chinese.

    This is a very big problem for me, hence I have lost a lot of respect for these “superior” Hong Kongese.

    • primepeng
      September 26, 2012 at 3:33 am (2 years ago)

      China people are mostly stuck with their traditional mindset. hong kong has gained world reputation by their film shooting, china don’t have. Japan have animate, cosplay, innovated technology, China don’t have anything special that the world can share and experience outside the country.

  30. Hong konger
    June 25, 2012 at 10:30 pm (2 years ago)

    I’m from hong kong and we hong kongers fucking hate those rude ass mainland Chinese people with no manners at all!!!

    • Cheedolese
      August 4, 2012 at 11:13 am (2 years ago)

      Can someone say hypocrite?

    • Nishi Hundan (@NishiHundan1)
      October 9, 2012 at 11:40 am (2 years ago)

      Hong Kongers are losers. You guys were nothing but lap dogs for the British. Now you act like you’re so superior to mainlanders? You’re a complete joke.

      • eyeren
        December 21, 2012 at 8:59 pm (2 years ago)

        Lap dogs for the British? … = =
        We were under the british for 99 years and thanks to that we have more freedom. I’ve always thought that hk was democratic until I found out just awhile ago that China is tightening their control over hk.
        A bit scary. To a Hong Kong person, mainland china is a scary place with rude people. There have been many weird things happening in china … like how they use hair oil for making soya sauce … We have also heard of the many dangers there. Once I went to Shanghai and omg i freaked out. My family and I joined a tour and we were about to cross a main road. The cars didn’t let us pass, so we were separated from our group. The tour guide had to come back to get us. So yeah, now I’m scared of going to China. If you go to the UK, they stop and let you pass (cos they have to and they’re not as rude as them). I’m not saying that Hong Kong people don’t do that, but I know for sure I can cross the road safely without being knocked over in the middle. Well, in England some people are impatient too. They just zoom past hoping u’ll walk quicker or sth, but most of them are nice. Except for this old lady who … ok. I’m off topic. Anyways, I just think that most mainlanders are rude, but not all cos I’ve got some nice mainlanders as friends.

  31. Paul
    October 28, 2012 at 10:26 pm (2 years ago)

    I am a Chinese from South-East Asia. I think the problem with Hong Kong is that is is not a nation, but a part of China. We don’t have such problems over here. Contemporary concept of the world is that you identify your nationality first, such as Indonesian, Thai, Singaporean, Australian and so on; then your ethnicity, i.e. Chinese, Indian, Malay, Mongolian, Arab etc. Your ethicity is your root.

  32. Overseas Chinese
    November 11, 2012 at 10:54 am (2 years ago)

    It is very sad to see that Hong Kong people declared themselves as being not Chinese. It is like a poodle (well kept animal) declaring that it is not a dog.

    It is dangerous because enemies of China in the West, especially Britain and the USA, might be tempted to see HongKong as another Bengahzi (which led the destruction of Libya). Will HongKong be able to toppple China with the help of the colonial masters. A fact already being alerted to the authorities in Beijing. Dangerous.

    • Jin
      November 14, 2012 at 3:29 pm (2 years ago)

      Interesting points by using the “dog” as an example. I guess that we all see things different, be it a political, social or economic perspective. I don’t think that Hong Kong can topple China as it’s quite dependent on China nowadays. Hong Kong people speak Cantonese, a language that some Mainland Chinese also speak. Hong Kong people eat Chinese food, watch Chinese TV and listen to Chinese songs. Every part of Hong Kong people’s lives can be tied with China. Without China, Hong Kong seems to be a place without an owner.

    • eyeren
      December 21, 2012 at 9:06 pm (2 years ago)

      Haha lol as if Hong Kong can do that. :D
      When people ask me where I’m from, I say I’m Chinese because I am and because I know I am. Personally, I think that the ones that grew up there (or I don’t know) are rude. So I clarify myself by saying that I’m from Hong Kong. Basically a Chinese from Hong Kong. It’s true that I support China during the Olympics. I really respect those hard working athletes and the chances of Hong Kong winning many golds … hmm … not so high.
      I dunno what to say now … bye

  33. Rick
    November 25, 2012 at 12:18 am (2 years ago)

    Hi Jin,
    I would say that I do agree with your thoughts on this one. People ask me where I am from and I always say “I was born here (Australia)” So then they ask where my parents are from, I say Hong Kong. The reason for my decision to say that is I am a very polite person that would give up my seat on the train for the elderly etc. As the image of the western world pictures mainland Chinese as rude etc I do not want to be stereotyped by this image. I am not saying Mainlanders are bad or anything just do not want to be associated with negative images.

    I know the situation with Hong Kong and China and do think that it has gone out of hand. For me when I travel to another land I always make an effort to research to ensure I do not offend anyone as such as I understand we all have different cultures and ways of doing things.

    Mainlanders are a very proud bunch, I have had some in Australia say why I do not speak Mandarin. As it is not my Mother tongue and I do not wish to make a scene I say something silly as “I do not know” lol. I think Mainlanders are just proud of being Chinese and they just want all people rooted to the Chinese race to remember it and not to let go.

    I just hope that as Mainlanders are now travelling around the globe that it will just open up their minds and understand other cultures. Once this happens I am sure they will realise that may need to behave differently to each different country. Then the Chinese race will no longer get a bad reputation around the world.

    • Jin
      December 4, 2012 at 2:40 pm (2 years ago)

      Thanks for your comments, Rick.

      This is an inspiring insight. I think that it’s understandable for one to not recognize himself/herself as a nation negatively considered by the rest of the world because we human beings all need ego and pride in myself. When the western world considers China as a rude nation, those who are on the borderline between being a Chinese and a non-Chinese (like people from HK, TW or Macau, or those born and raised overseas but Chinese in root) one would be less likely to consider themselves as Chinese.

      I think that some Chinese cultures are so different from the rest of the world that no matter how the Chinese act, others might consider as rude anyway. While it’s true many problems exist in Mainland China (e.g. some Chinese products are poisonous, human rights are minuscule, corruption is prevalent), we should also think that somehow the disapproval of Chinese people by the western world might also be that the westerners are not used to the Chinese cultures, or that it’s too weird for them to understand.

      In a word, for social problems in China, it’s the Chinese who are the only one to solve the problems. But for the issue of culture difference, I believe both parties (the Chinese and the western world) should make their minds open to accepting and learning each other’s culture.

  34. JP
    December 4, 2012 at 2:25 pm (2 years ago)

    I believe that when people from Hong Kong these days hear “China” or “Chinese” the first things that come to their mind is “Communist” and the many negative things that go with it like forced abortions, little freedom, nuclear weapons, awful human rights record, blocked internet access, bad treatment of factory workers, activists automatically declared enemies of the state and many other negative images. I believe that if China becomes a liberal and democratic society, then the people of Hong Kong will happily declare themselves Chinese permanently.

    • Jin
      December 4, 2012 at 2:29 pm (2 years ago)

      Thanks for your comments, JP. Yes, this is the same thoughts I try to make in this post.
      As long as there are negative news and attributes associated with the label of “Chinese”, Hong Kong people would not want to call themselves a Chinese. If those negative attributes are gone or more positive ones coming up, Hong Kong people may change their minds!

  35. Ruth Powy
    January 5, 2013 at 7:26 pm (2 years ago)

    There is a problem with the word “Chinese”. People use “Chinese” to refer Hongkong Chinese, Taiwan Chinese and Mainland China Chinese. However, there’s always a word game playing by Hongkong and Taiwan Chinese.

    My friend had tenants from Hongkong, Taiwan and Australia a year ago. She frequently mentioned both Hongkong and Taiwan tenants were messy, loud-talking, and…

    Comment on Hongkong and Taiwan tenants:” Chinese are dirty…”
    (Note: The word of “Chinese” here only refers to Hongkong and Taiwan Chinese.)

    Hongkong tenant’s excuse:” I’m not Chinese. I’m Hongkongnese.
    Chinese are dirty.”
    Taiwan tenant’s excuse:” I’m not Chinese. I’m Taiwanese. Chinese
    are dirty.”
    (Note: Both Hongkong&Taiwan Chinese are trying to get ride of their dirt, throwing it to Mainland China Chinese.)

    My friend now likes to use “Hongkongnese” and “Taiwanese” to make her comment on what she exactly wants to say: “Hongkongnese and Taiwanese are not only dirty for a living but also dirty for a moral soul!”

  36. Kevin
    January 22, 2013 at 2:03 am (2 years ago)

    I consider myself a Chinese person in Hong Kong. I do not hate being called Chinese because I am Chinese. China is a vast country. Commonly and based on historical practices, people identify themselves with where they’re from based on the provinces or the cities in a nationwide scale, and the town or villages to anyone within the same province. A person from Guangzhou would call themselves a Guangzhou person, person from Shanghai or surrounding area would call himself Shanghainese, a person from Beijing would call himself a Beijing person and a person from Hong Kong would call himself a Hong Kong person. Although we also identify ourselves with our ancestral homeland which most likely isn’t Hong Kong. Prior to 1800s, Hong Kong had less than a few hundred people.

    China has 56 major enthnic nationalities and 23 minor ones. Although we have one mandarin as a main language for within China, we all often speak the language of where we’re from which could number in the hundreds. The languages could be mutually unintelligible from one town to another, even if it’s only a few miles away. The Chinese of Hong Kong have been influenced by Cantonese from Guangzhou within the last 100 years or so due to civil war and immigration from the early 1900 to mid 1950s. The close proximity of the two cities allowed a higher percentage of people from Guangzhou and surround area to moved to Hong Kong, although many people from other parts of China have also moved to Hong Kong in the past 150 years.

    The major factor is because of the closure of borders post 1950s by the then Colonial Government of the British Empire facilitated a separate identity of being a Hong Kong person. Since then Hong Kong developed much earlier in different paths politically, economically and to a certain extent culturally with some western influences.

    We all know we are Chinese by blood, however, certain people in Hong Kong dislike the generally customary practices and habits of people who have lived in mainland China most of their lives. This is because of habits and what the norms are. Hong Kong had decades earlier head start to develop certain acceptable practices. While China only truly started reforms and developments in the mid-1970 with it going in full steam in the mid-1980s and on.

    Hong Kong was also a unhygienic city prior to the 1990s. There were many campaigns by made the government to promote cleanliness with hefty fines corrupt prior to then and have only gained it’s current image within the last 20 years. The current fine for littering is HKD1500 about USD200. The fine started at HKD500 and had to be raised to the current amount.

    Corruption is rampant in the mainland China. However, corruption to a certain extend is within the culture of Chinese and countries within the Sinophere for thousands of years. It will be extremely hard to get rid of something that’s been ongoing for thousands of years. Hong Kong was also very corrupt prior to the 1980s. Corruption was in every level of society. Corruption was widely pacified with the creation of the Independent Commission Against Corrupt in the early 1970s.

    Even though our brethren north of the border often have practices unacceptable to Hong Kong now. However, it took Hong Kong decades to stop doing those practices in a relatively smaller population then. Hong Kong only had around five million permanent residents in 1980 and even much less prior to then.( Hong Kong now has 7.35 million) Therefore it would be easier to promote certain practices within a shorter time compared to the mainland with close to officially 1.35 billion people.

    Ethnic minorities do not have to adhere to the one-child policies and often have better governmental assistance compared to the majority Han.

    Give the mainland time and will be gradually become better.

  37. samuel welsh
    January 28, 2013 at 8:28 pm (1 year ago)

    there cantonese ,not chinnese theres common culture but different language and different societies love both people
    hong kong is democratic china isnot .

  38. samuel welsh
    January 28, 2013 at 8:35 pm (1 year ago)

    my hope is that the chinnese government will stop abusing its asian brothers and sending us cheap crap, the people are great but the goods and government is not.

  39. JC Wong
    February 17, 2013 at 5:41 am (1 year ago)

    For your information; Cantonese comes from Guangdong, hence the term “Guangdong Hua”
    (廣東話=Cantonese), so I have no idea why you bothered to write “Although Guangdong people also speak Cantonese”. Most people in HK all have family in Guangdong, including myself.

    In addition, Hong Kong does not have their own language – their dialect is from the Mainland.
    If there were no immigrants from PRC to Hong Kong, nobody here would be speaking Cantonese, would they? And the fact that Cantonese is a dying dialect doesn’t make it a special one either;
    take a look at other dialects in the Chinese language – Hakka, Teochew, etc. – they are almost dead and
    extinct; does that make them special languages?

    Hong Kong people have whiter skin? Where did you get this from?
    From all the countries that I have traveled and lived in here in Asia, HK people have the darkest tanned skin of all. I suggest you take a trip up to Northern China, and visit our fellow neighbors to the north – they have far whiter skin than the people here!

    My family here in HK has always considered themselves “Chinese” – if they are not Chinese, then what are they? I was born in the United Kingdom (like most overseas Chinese born to HK parents), and I can tell you, if you went out in public and told all the local whites that you are “British” and not Chinese, you would be the laughing stock of the whole town – overseas Chinese are not considered “British” whether they are born there or not, they will always be just “Chinese” to the locals.
    No such thing as “Hong Kongese”, only Chinese in terms of nationality and ethinicity.
    If only HK was not brainwashed with propaganda from the British for over 100 years, then the people here
    wouldn’t have this type of backwards thinking.
    You are Chinese, be proud of it.

  40. Leo
    February 24, 2013 at 1:43 am (1 year ago)

    You also missed the obvious reason why Hong Konger don’t say they are “Chinese”, ethnically they aren’t Han Chinese.
    If you aren’t Han Chinese, how can you say you are “Chinese”?

    my friend is full hindu indian. Born and raised in Hong Kong ans speak perfect Cantonese. He’s certainly more “Chinese” then me, but he can’t say he’s “Chinese” so he rather identify himself as a “Hong Konger”.
    Myself I’m overseas 3/4 Chinese and 1/4 Uyguar, i don’t look like the typical Han chinese, nor can i connect or feel like a national Chinese, hence i rather tell people i’m a “Hong Konger”.

    China, has to understand there is a difference in ethnic distinction and national identity.

    Besides, Hong Kong is technically part of China, so saying you are from Hong Kong is the same as saying you are from China. Don’t see why Mainlanders have to be upset about it.

  41. Serrena
    February 26, 2013 at 7:38 pm (1 year ago)

    I think the real problem is the ambiguity of what it means to be Chinese. Does it mean you have to be ethnically Han to be Chinese? If Hong Kong is part of China, can an Indian person who is born and raised in Hong Kong, call himself Chinese too?

    The majority of people in Hong Kong are ethnically Chinese, that is undeniable. However, they have Hong Kong nationality. I’m sure many people from Taiwan would feel the same too. I think the question of nationality/identity is personal, and in that regard, no one should pass judgement.

    • Jin
      March 1, 2013 at 1:08 pm (1 year ago)

      The “Chinese” people described in this article refer to those who are politically and culturally Chinese, especially those who hold a Chinese, Hong Kong, Macau or Taiwanese passport. If you’re ethically “Chinese” but are born and raised overseas and hold a foreign passport, say American, then it’s out of the scope of discussion in this article. The confusion we discuss here arises because of the official “Chinese” identity recognized by the return of sovereignty to China for Hong Kong and Macau, that’s the main focus.

      Different ethic groups in China is another way to look at this issue, and thanks for providing another angle. I guess most people refer “Chinese” as Han Chinese, although other ethnic minorities on China are also Chinese, just that we don’t know enough about them to distinguish them.

  42. Brad
    March 11, 2013 at 4:41 pm (1 year ago)

    I am a local HongKonger , i cannot stop laughing when a mainland chinese be proud of China .
    Look at their shit country , they can spend a lot of money on Olympic Game , Space Project ….
    But they cannot produce some safe food such as Milk Powder …etc..

    For me , China is dead after PRC ruin it all our culture …. Long live cultural revolution !… LOL
    It is quite stupid to talk about the blood or race what u are …..I would admit a indian or white person from other country to be a HongKonger , if they really love this place and want to protect it .

    To Jin :

    Please look deeper to China , all the China government people ‘s farmily , the yall take the passport of Canda , USA ..etc. It is a big joke .

    • Jin
      March 13, 2013 at 7:43 am (1 year ago)

      Brad, thanks for your comment.

      China needs to work on safe food and less corruption, that’s for sure.

      For the phenomenon of Chinese people holding the passport of other countries, it’s a big trend that many affluent Chinese are applying to migrate to other Western countries like the US, Canada, UK etc. mainly for better living standards (less pollution) and education for their children. Some Chinese officials are worried that less talented Chinese people will stay in China and it might affect the economy and word force competitiveness.

  43. Jay Liew
    April 13, 2013 at 12:22 am (1 year ago)

    HKers do look down on Mainlanders, and consider them locust. I agree, because other than living in HK, I’ve been to many Mainland Cities (Changsha, Changde, Zhangjiajie, Chengdu, Leshan, Xian, Beijing, Shanghai, Suzhou, Hangzhou, Wuxi, Nanjing, Guilin), so I have seen how Mainlanders are. They are uncivil, and hostile. I’m always glad to return their favor if necessary. I look down on them, but I don’t fear them. For Mainlanders, it’s mainly because they are not exposed as much to the traditional society, due to censorship there.

    However, I also know not “all” Mainlanders are like that. Since coming to USC for grad school, I have Mainland friends. I have no problem with them, and they don’t mind with what I feel above. But even to them, I limited or even stopped the topic when a Mainland girl from Suzhou asked “Why do you want to go out with me? I am a 100% Mainlander”. My simple answer was, “With all my views, when they came up to me, showed interest in being my friend, I will not leave or avoid them”. If i did, then there will be no difference between me and the “low level” Mainlanders. That girl concluded by saying “If that is the way you guys think of us, we have every right not to like you guys…

    I said to her that outsiders, even though they have good reasons, it’s not 100% right, and it creates misunderstandings on both ends.

    • Brad
      May 4, 2013 at 3:48 pm (1 year ago)

      I start to doubt that ” Should the mainlander called themselves ” Chinese ” ? They don’t even write the Real Chinese ” Tranditonal Chinese ” . How can they called themselves “Chinese” ?

      I respect the Taiwanese , they make me feel like that they are the real Chinese . They are kindness , helpful and polite.

      I feel sad when the China become like this nowadays after the communist come to China .

  44. GLo
    April 22, 2013 at 10:54 am (1 year ago)

    What you said in the article is just your assumptions. If you really want to know how real Hong Konger feel or hate being called Chinese, you can refer to the is link: http://reasonswhywehate.tumblr.com/


    • Jin Wong
      April 22, 2013 at 7:08 pm (1 year ago)

      It’s my observation instead of assumptions. Thanks for sharing your site ;-)

  45. katharine
    April 30, 2013 at 1:00 am (1 year ago)

    hong kong people hate chinese coz they think chinese are dirty, selfish, and is true

  46. Andy
    April 30, 2013 at 5:16 am (1 year ago)

    Most of the culture and language of HK came from Guangdong, China approximately 100 or so years ago. All of Hk’s resources: labor, food, people also originated from China. HK was merely a Chinese harbor before the British take over. The reason HK people have their pride is because of the British influence and colonialism. Aside from that, you are no more special than cities like Shanghai, Beijing. For HKers to say they are not part of China is like saying Taiwan is not part of China. HK is indeed a part of China, but with different cultures, laws and so forth. Without Chinese, HK is just a dump city where the very rich and very poor people exists.

  47. suuuju
    April 30, 2013 at 7:51 pm (1 year ago)

    What a shame, just encountered the article! and after going through all arguments above, so easy to tell the general shared opinion that Hong Kongers declared themselves to be from Hong Kong rather than China. As newbe to Hongkong, when asked where are you from, my response comes all in a natural way,”i am from mainland China.” which means on the deeper lever I am pro-hongkongers in the way of excluding myself from the local! And when taken as hongkong girl regarding my appearance and dressing style, subconciously I feel delighted as Hongkongers genrerally do perform better in terms of public etiquettes and dressing codes. In most circumstances, mainlanders claim Hongkong’s increasing reliance on mother land to bring out the superiorty as the owner, while it indicates the same connotation as Hongkongers’ dignity out of higher living conditions, so to speak, making nonsense on this point.
    I have been treated inferiorly in Hongkong sometimes and so have my friends, I am extremely fed up with the concrete bunch of TV news reports with theme of Chinese ppl are being evil which culminates in the worsening image of China as a whole! I learned a lesson here, don’t judge anyone and make the fixed conclusion easily, so even aware of treated badly I still waited to get my stuff done as I know Hong Kong is based on basics after all, and individuals differ from each other, one does’t equate with all!
    We are here in pursuit of higher education and not for taking the social resources ! As Hong Kong is credited with multicultures compatable, so we are here to learn more so to contriute more to HK, if we can’t live up to commitments, we’d rather go back home as we treasure Hong Kong and appreciate its contribution to Chinese democracy!
    The general social hierachy and education background of Mainlanders travelling to Hongkong are decreasing, while the well-educated younger generation are being good citizen here. Sometimes our counterparts in HK hurt my feeling by their ignorance and superfacial interpretation of China! Please do spare time for yourself to contemplate the world freed from the media and your cynical peers!

    • CP
      April 30, 2013 at 11:03 pm (1 year ago)

      HK welcomes people to live here so long they believe our local core values (Rule of law, democracy, Freedom of speech and Zero corruption).
      If people living here keeps thinking that this wet of values should not be practiced and a more “Chinese” version should be adopted instead. Sorry you are not welcomed, otherwise all who believe in this set of rules are most welcomed to stay here.
      If you feel that westerners are more welcomed in HK than you Chinese, it’s because their government don’t speak on a daily basis on our TV and newspaper in telling how HK people and their government to behave. We are already a well developed country and weh don’t need your Dictatorship telling us what to do. Our despise of your Chinese government and what your people did here gradually make us looked at you with … more “vinegar”.
      The image of your Chinese government did not worsen because of our local HK media, locking up Liu Xiaobo, Ai weiwei countless other political prisoners is the TRUE REASON ! The HK media is not powerful enough to bring down the world’s image of “Chinese” but your government’s persecution of political prisionors, and the barbaric behaviours of your fellow Chinese fellow tourists around the world is why the word Chinese had a bad image as a whole.
      If you think you are not taking social resources, think of it this way, even though you are paying school fees, the HK govt still subsidises ~60% of your education (HK locals are subsidized by ~80%).
      I am fed up of how Chinese think that they are giving use charity. let me close this up with some concrete facts.
      [1997年, 我們包容你落後國家管理先進國家 - 香港]



      不過, 中國人食物,衣服,藥品,技術,資金和培訓倒是香港供應不小,
      香港: 捐款賑災、助養助學、投資辦廠


      80年代, 改革開放-給您帶來技術,資金,培訓和藥品

      90年代, 1991年5、6月間, 華東水災:

      1997年, 我們包容你落後國家管理先進國家 – 香港
      2003年,中國”供應” SARS來港
      2008年,四川地震香港捐出200億元, 多過每一個省

      所有的人都極限, 我們希望獨立 !

      • Suuuju
        May 1, 2013 at 9:25 am (1 year ago)

        I appreciate your first half paragraph which contrasts sharply with my argument, as for the effect of mass media, it’s based on my observation as my particular concern is attributed to media stuff,surely the prerequisite of settling down in hk is to acquire and apply your core value, thats the reason why hk deserves all our efforts to maintain its independence. Either The political prisoner or afflicting measure is symbolizing the automacracy of communist party, hongkongers’ concern about its indepence in the long run is definitely rational. While the social system constitutes in a formed way, the nation machine runs in sacrifice of individual interests or even lives which is the value critically going against that of westwen world. From a historical or utilitirism point of view, hard to tell which is better. China channels all efforts in raising ppl’s living conditions within 30years, there must be evil sacrifice! I’m not defending the criminals my country commits, I tend to go back to the common sense that applies to even a government, country. But its the citizen’ s duty to unveil their evil deed, to go against the dominating power also as it helps the country to prosper rather than abuse or humiliate its ppl!
        至于您最后列举的当然是事实,您自己也知道,只是部分事实,任何有经济学社会学常识的人都知道,中国给香港带来了什么,香港也举全港之力反哺很多。 我本意是想说,讨论这类问题时不要牵扯到谁有钱谁的贡献大, 我们带着无限诚意希望为香港作贡献,我们不是共产党的特务,间谍,我们赞成并会践行香港的核心价值,that’s why we are here.

        • CP
          May 1, 2013 at 9:03 pm (1 year ago)

          Thank you.
          Sorry if the tone is a little harsh.
          But HK people, espicially my generation is fed up of the Chinese Government and some of the Chinese here in HK. They are using HK as their “washing machine” for their dirty money, HK is now the top 3 countries for money laundering. This all came because of 1997, if given the choice to be colonized by either the British (before 1997) and Chinese (after 1997), a online vote showed 90% plus chooses the former.
          Can you blame us? One of the former governors ( the 25th Governor of Hong Kong, from 1971 to 1982, Sir Murray Maclehose, I suggest you wikipedia his name.) is the reason that HK is what we are today. He laid down the keystones to the success of HK today.
          Public housing, Anti-corruption, Natural country parks, Industrailization, freshwater reserviors, Free Education, free healthcare etc.
          While the “Chinese poodles” Chief Executive (They the 2nd best paid politicians in the world, just after Singapore, better paid than A US President) since 1997 had done practically nothing, Gini Index is higher than ever before, Press Freedom index ranking fell from 21 to 65,…

          Anyway, welcome to HK. I think in order to integrate to our multicultural society, the best way is to learn to speak Cantonese and watch some movies. It’s easier to understand the culture here this way. I am not asking you to forget your roots, but to understand ours.
          Good day to you. :)

          • hkglory
            May 3, 2013 at 9:49 am (1 year ago)









          • hkglory
            May 3, 2013 at 9:51 am (1 year ago)

            粤语不悦耳是有学术引证支持的,不悦耳就是不美落后,自然不值得被欣赏。粤语人常拿粤语发音相近唐宋官话来给自己贴金,却不知道这正好说明了粤语的语音美感的落后,现代粤语的美感有如千年前的中原官话。(同样的,美国英语进步慢也保留有较多古英语的发音,不如现代的英国BBC英语好听)。人的天性尚美,语言的进化自然会循着顺应听觉美感的方向发展,同样的,人的长相也会循着顺应视觉美感的方向进化。粤语不悦耳粤人不悦目说明粤语地区人文素质落后。另外,粤语还非常不规范,譬如粤语有九个声调,但你随便问个粤语人怎么说这九个声调,十有八九说不上来。事物的发展都会经过因混乱而后有被规范必要的过程,例如一个城市的发展,规范得较好的城市自然more user-friendly more likable。同样道理适用于语言的发展。(题外话,城市的发展布局反映一个地方的集体思维,我个人的经验是北方城市比南方城市整齐条理)


          • hkglory
            May 3, 2013 at 9:58 am (1 year ago)








  48. hkglory
    May 1, 2013 at 12:37 pm (1 year ago)

    1. 这是上海,浙江,香港智商数据来源。

    2. 这是长相与智能有正关联的出处:
      Scientists have long suspected that intelligence and physical attractiveness may be positively correlated.



      Warm weather dumbs brain.















  49. hkglory
    May 1, 2013 at 12:42 pm (1 year ago)


      1980 SZ 1:1000 HK
      1990 1:50
      2000 1:7
      2005 1:3
      2010 1:2
      2011 2:3





      不吐痰不乱扔垃圾不抢座位这些礼节规矩不过是外在的教化,拿这些说素质只说明层次的肤浅,伦敦人not so long ago还大模大样从楼上往大街上倒屎尿呢,查查loo是怎么来的。









  50. hkglory
    May 1, 2013 at 12:53 pm (1 year ago)





  51. hkglory
    May 1, 2013 at 1:03 pm (1 year ago)

    从秦汉开始,就一直是流放罪犯的地方, 成了贱民、罪民的渊薮。

    对个人来说,出身或许可以不重要,obama都当上美国总统还二任了,但对一个群体,出身就绝对有比较价值。远的比较北欧和南欧,日耳曼血统为主体的北欧的社会保障应该是地球上最好没有之一;拉丁血统的南欧正在全民欠债。再比较同一个体制内的美国普通白人社区的安逸和黑人社区的slum。近的可以看日本和菲律宾,都是亚洲政体西化最早的岛国,面积人口密度相近,据说二次大战后菲律宾还曾经是亚洲仅次于日本的强国,但现在人均GDP与日本相差好像20倍?日本出口高端电玩,菲律宾靠出口大学生给人洗厕所养国养家。再比较大英帝国曾经遍布全球的殖民地(英国子民自己建立的美加澳除外),好像只有新加坡香港弄出了点名堂?又碰巧都是南下华人为主的社会。东南亚国家的华人是少数民族,在各种排华政策下却掌控了这些国家的经济命脉。马来西亚就是因为害怕华人以经济为后盾分享过多政治权利而宁可将新加坡逐出马来西亚联邦的。再回看中国,得中原者得天下,自古只有北方的游牧民族对中原有真正的威胁,并在过去一千年有近半的时间入主过中原(蒙100多年? 满300年)。满族人口2000年的统计才一千万,不到全国人口的1%,不知道几百年前是什么比例,但肯定也是极小的,但这么小众的民族却能够突破长城并统领了华夏大地三个世纪,而且他们的文明史远比汉人短,没有自己的文字前还曾借用汉字,虽然最后还是被强韧的汉文化同化,但满人对汉文化的影响是从上而下劈头盖脸的强势,例如马挂旗袍还有带着满语语音的京腔成了现代汉语的语音标准。广东人爱拿这yy普通话,按我说你有本事也去影响中原试试,有那本事秦始王就早在南边也建长城了,而不是尽发配些老弱残兵和罪犯去殖民岭南。


    沐浴过西方文明的香港人特别热衷于指责中国许多的落后不文明,这并没有错,值得鼓励,乐意不乐意,现在就是西方文明当道,但中国是个有厚重历史的大国,绝对经得起批评,不管善意恶意,有批评才会反省不足以求进步,但相信香港人很明白中国进步对香港的意义就是挤压的加速,被松绑了的13亿人口所释放出的张力之给力,蜗居于弹丸之地的香港人一定早已深有体会,喜不喜欢都好,挤压才刚开始,就算从奶粉开始吧。其实全世界都应该感激中国曾经的闭关锁国,有了这个大背景才让不少国家地区的生产力轻松换取到超值的资源,提早进入发达队伍。两百年前拿破仑读过孙子兵法后说过中国是沉睡中的巨人: “let her sleep for when she awakes the world will shake. ” 喜不喜欢都好,the world is shaking now.



  52. hkglory
    May 1, 2013 at 1:10 pm (1 year ago)




    • CP
      May 1, 2013 at 8:44 pm (1 year ago)

      血統論 – 中國人的最後一塊遮羞布



      HDI, Human Development Factor 人類發展指數(越高越好)

      人均GDP, GDP per person

      CPI貪污感知指數, Corruption Perception Index(越高越好)

      PFI新聞自由指數2011 , Press Freedom Index(越低越好)

      A country without Google, Facebook,Twitter & YouTube is the next superpower? You must be kidding

        一個沒有 Google, Facebook,Twitter & YouTube 是個新的超級大國?

      We arenot be better, but we are just different


      HK’s Core values
      Freedom, Human Rights, Rule of Law, Zero tolerence for corruption


      Environmental Protection (50% of HK’s land are country parks), Education (3 out of of Asia’s top 5 Universities are in HK, QS Asia rankings), Blue skies (this is absent in China)
      Sewage system (Shanghai and Beijing becomes Venice after a heavy downpour)

      (你一定是在做夢 !)

      Public virtue and discipline
      (We don’t spit, urinate in public places like a common animal. We actually queue up and waitwait in the line)

      Chinese or at least their govt, doesn’t care (or are unable to) about these things

      • hkglory
        May 7, 2013 at 2:01 pm (1 year ago)










          香港回归后不久,网上就出现很多文章批评中央向香港输送利益的「一国两制」对中国的经济造成了非常大的伤害。大陆作家赵海均还写了一本书,名叫【经济中国】, 节录几个重点。



          2.中国大陆向香港输送廉价的淡水资源、电力资源、油气资源、食物蔬菜等估计每年达到 3000-4000亿港元,但是香港不向中央缴纳一分钱的税。




          6.中国的国营大中型企业去香港上市支付的中介费用(律师费、上市费、财务顾问费、评估费等)高达 10%-15%,经常令股价跌破淨资产、跌破发行价,在严重丧失筹资功能的同时,每年还进行年息 3-5%的派息和缴纳上市费用。国有资产在香港遭受严重的流失和掏空,中国广大纳税人几十年的财富拱手送给了外国人。

          香港用百分之百的服务业养活 700万素质不佳的人口,而且是高收入人口。全世界找不到第二个例子。












  53. hkglory
    May 3, 2013 at 10:03 am (1 year ago)



      “英国教授称东亚人智商全球最高 平均值为105

      在 收集研究了130个国家的智商测试后,最近,英国一位研究人种智商的学者得出了一个令亚洲人感到既惊讶又高兴的结论。他的研究结论是:中国人、日本人、朝 鲜人是全世界最聪明的人,他们拥有全世界最高的智商,平均值为105,明显高于欧洲人和其他的人种。得出这一结论的专家是英国阿尔斯特大学名誉教授理查 德·林恩。他的这一结论是否可信?又是如何得出的?几天前,本报记者通过电子邮件对理查德·林恩教授进行了独家采访。


      林 恩教授1977年开始进入人种智商这一领域的研究。他在信中说道,上世纪70年代,他注意到了日本的飞速发展,作为智商研究专家,他马上想到,日本能够有 如此快的发展是否因为他们有较高的智商?于是,他开始了对日本人的智商测试调查。他发现,日本人的人均智商达到了105。得出这个结论后,他又猜想,中国 人是否也应该拥有同样高的智商?调查测试的结果显示,他的想法是对的,中国人的平均智商也达到了105。


      东 亚人(包括中国人、日本人、朝鲜人)拥有全世界最高的平均智商,平均值为105。而之后排位是欧洲人(100),爱斯基摩人(91),东南亚人(87), 美洲本土印第安人(87),太平洋诸岛土著居民(85),南亚及北非人(84),撒哈拉非洲人(67),澳大利亚原著民(62)。而人种智商最低地区是南 非沙漠高原的丛林人和刚果雨林地区的俾格米人,平均智商为54。



      林 恩教授对造成这一结论的原因也进行了研究。他认为,造成人种智商差异的原因是生存环境和基因。林恩教授首先注意到了加州大学研究脑量进化的专家杰里森的观 点:在物种进化的过程中,物种的智力进化受到了环境的重要影响,也是物竞天择的一个重要因素。动物们要想在恶劣的环境中成为幸存者,必须进化出足够大的脑 容量,这样它们通过视觉、听觉和嗅觉得到的信息才能在大脑中进行充分的分析。

      林恩教授认为,这一理论同样可以用到人类的进化中。在对诸多 的数据分析后,林恩教授得出,寒冷的气候让人类得到了更大的脑容量。比如东亚人的平均脑容量为1416cc,欧洲人的脑容量为1367cc,而撒哈拉地区 的非洲人脑容量为1282cc。林恩教授称,寒冷的气候让早期的人类必须学会如何御寒。在寸草不生,动物也很少出没的冬季,寻找食物努力生存下去使得这些 地区的人类获得越来越高的智商,以求不被大自然淘汰。


      当林恩 教授提出他的研究后,很多人提出了质疑。第一点就是虽然东亚人拥有高于欧洲及美国人的智商,但欧洲人在科学技术研究上要比东亚人更胜一筹,发明也更多。林 恩教授认为这是由于东亚人在性格上比欧洲人更循规蹈矩,所以在发明创造上受到了一定的影响,但这并不能证明东亚人的智商低于欧洲人。






  54. sai fuk
    July 22, 2013 at 8:35 am (1 year ago)

    I don’t get these people that hate getting called chinese. I am from Hong Kong. AND I have never MET a single one that didn’t call themselves chinese. Sure they don’t like some stuff from 大陸, such as simplified writing and the beijing language or so-called Mandarin. I don’t like these either, but to get rid of your chinese identity for a british one is disgusting. Is being colonized by a foreign people a source of pride? I think not, and those that are have what plato call a a natural slave mentality and I will not tolerate it. I am a proud HKer, and no foreign occupation is to be excused. Sure, we HAVE to protect the southern chinese dialects which are, again, more conservative and TRADITIONAL than the fake chinese beijing putonghua. And I think that is one cause to be angry about, but to swear your loyalty to the British Empire is disgusting. You don’t even have to be loyal to the PRC (I’m not. Fuck Mao and his ungrateful ilk) to BE called CHINESE. Chinese just means 華人, 漢人, 唐人, etc… which if you go to any chinatown, you’d know that we are. To be called anything else is not only rude, but it only deceives yourself. Does anyone else really think that you’re a brit? The answer is no, they’d see a foreign group groveling and kowtowing to become a westerner. If that’s what you are, then that’s fine with me. In fact, I encourage you not only to leave Hong Kong, but to leave East Asia. In fact, please marry a non-chinese person, and never ever speak about your chinese heritage. I encourage you to never ever return to the middle kingdom, and never let your progeny marry into the chinese gene pool ever again. You can leave if you want.

    • CHAN fm HK
      July 22, 2013 at 9:43 am (1 year ago)

      Maybe you can’t read ….

      Hong Kong people said “I am from Hong Kong” not “I am from Britain”. Could you not tell the difference?
      Let me spell it out for you
      H-O-N-G space K-O-N-G, 8 letters, not B-R-I-T-A-I-N, 7 letters. I know it’s very hard for you, but it’s DIFFERENT.

      If you’ve never met anyone from Hong Kong that didn’t called themselves Chinese, there is simply no way you are a HKer. Otherwise you’ve probably not been in HK for many years.

      If (according to you) people who thinks this way should leave Hong Kong, you are no different from the Nazis getting rid of the Jews in WWII. The Jews don’t think they are German while living in Germany either. What do you think you are? Telling people to leave where they called home since childhood. Hitler? Stalin?

      We have the Chinese culture in us, that DOES NOT make us CHINESE. Look at Canada, USA, Australia & New Zealand, they are using ENGLISH up to this very date as their language, some even had the Queen and the Union Jack on their flags. You don’t find the Brits telling everyone they meet that Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders & Americans that they are British.

      But the Chinese love telling everyone who had Chinese culture that they are Chinese. Why, because they had a terrible reputation internationally. When they see people in HK, Taiwan, Malaysian (25% Chinese) & Singapore doing well on the international platform, they got jealous and wanted people to dislike them as well. Chinese are sick.


      btw study your history

      Hong Kong is ceded to British from Imperial Qing (1644-1912)
      Hong Kong, since 1842, 171 yr old
      Republic of China (Taiwan), since 1912, 100 yr old
      Soviet Union Stalin’s Bastard son (aka China), 63 yr old
      China, had ZERO grounds to govern Hong Kong from British, she is a Soviet Kidnapper

      • sai fuk
        August 3, 2013 at 9:54 pm (12 months ago)

        Chinese does not MEAN you have to be from PRC. It’s not about the fucking government, you irrational pig. It’s about being ethnically chinese, are you so desperate to be something you’re not? From your message, we can see you are one of those that waves the british flags by saying (Oh look, Hong Kong was ceded, therefore we’re british). It’s like saying that since we were conquered by Mongolians, that we are now Mongolians. It’s preposterous. And comparing me to the Nazis is not only stupid, it’s irrelevant with absolutely no connection at all. What am I holocausting? Nothing. You’re so desperate from a cheap shot that idiots like you will always pull out the Hitler card for something completely unrelated. I can’t believe you fulfilled Godwin’s law in your first bloody reply.

        I am chinese, NOT from People’s Republic of China. Did you read what I previously wrote at all?
        And yes, I have been in Hong Kong. I was born in Hong Kong, my parents are HKers, my friends are HKers, and I only recently left it 1 year ago. And yes, I still haven’t met a single HKer that doesn’t say “I am chinese” when asked in english. If I ask what I am? They’ll say “You’re Chinese” despite being HKer and speaking not a single lick of shitty mandarin. They may answer I am HKer in cantonese, but do you know what they also say just as frequently? You know what they say? “華人, 唐人, etc”. That’s chinese as in ethnically chinese.
        Like every single HKer, we still have relatives in the mainland, and each time we go to our family ancestral home. It reminds us of the family history. It reminds us of what we are, what we went through. From the end of Ming to the beginning of Qing was an era of covert struggle. Our family sought out every mean to undermine the Qing. Why? Because they were foreign invaders. It’s one thing to live under an incompetent government like the end of Ming, but it’s another to live under humiliating foreign occupation as a 2nd class citizen. The Qing lasted only because of the introduced hardy crops brought about by the columbia american exchange. My family was one of the first to revolt openly when given the chance.
        If you stayed British, you would always be a 2nd class citizen. You would always be a colonized people. My family only went to HK/Taiwan as a refuge the increasing political disadvantage due to the communist threat. We are the last ones to defend the communist bastards. But that does not make us non-chinese.

        If you don’t like the gov, I encourage you to just support Taiwan or something. Or yell “Hong Kong does not belong to PRC”, but never fucking wave a british flag like many of you do in all your riots. It disgusts me, those people can wave it in Britain. However, even the Irish/scottish have/had revolts/independent movement from it. Why? Because even if they were conquered the British aka UK, they still recognized that they were Irish, not brits. Even the anglo-saxons still recognize Norman descendants. You can save your “grass is greener over the fence” somewhere else.

        • Yoyo Wu
          November 8, 2013 at 12:31 pm (9 months ago)

          don’t mind the dickhead replied your comment. he is dumb and ignorant. you are making every sense of your opinion, I hope there are more Hkers like you. I live in Britain and I’m from mainland. I’m so sick of those white washed Chinese who totally forget their root. I’m truly appreciate your wisdom which lots of hkers don’t have. They think they are superior than ppl from mainland, and this just make themselves a joke. those ppl can kiss British ass for good.

  55. misscriticize
    August 30, 2013 at 6:52 pm (11 months ago)

    Look, I agree with some things you say in the article, but the fact that everyone, including you (no offence) keeps saying that HK people hate the Mainland only when the economy is not doing well and that we only say we’re HK people to maintain our ‘status’ and ‘style’. I find that offensive. I call myself a Hongkonger for a reason-I was born in Hong Kong, have been to the Mainland and hated it. And you know what? I felt like I was in a different country. And I pretty much was. Everything was different. They drove on a different side of the car and the road, they spoke a similar language that I didn’t understand, the food was different, the road signs were in Simplified Chinese-everything. I have to say my ethnicity is Chinese when I do forms and stuff-but I always feel wrong while doing it, like I’m telling a lie or bending the truth. I don’t just hate the Mainland because most are rude. I pretty much hate them because of a personal family reason. So please, don’t say all of the people in Hong Kong like being called Hongkongers just because of status. It’s not true for anyone I know.

    (If it sounds offensive it’s just because I’m passionate about this lol sorry. And my username is because I have a media critic blog, not because I like criticizing. :) )

    • Jin Wong
      August 30, 2013 at 6:58 pm (11 months ago)

      If you point out you’re not agreed with what I say with your reasons, that’s not offensive. Offensive people are those who talk ill off others without having a real opinion. Sorry to know about your experience in China.

      • misscriticize
        August 30, 2013 at 7:18 pm (11 months ago)

        So you’re saying I’m talking ill of you without a real opinion, to make that clear?

        How am I doing that. I’m saying I find it offensive you’re generalizing Hong Kong people, and you think that’s offensive? I didn’t insult you. I had an opinion. Look, if you find me offensive, I’m sorry, but I don’t think I was.

        • misscriticize
          August 30, 2013 at 7:22 pm (11 months ago)


          I didn’t read the ‘not’ part argh. Sorry sorry just ignore it :0

        • Jin Wong
          August 30, 2013 at 7:22 pm (11 months ago)

          What I meant was I didn’t think your first comment was offensive, and I was explaining what would make me feel offensive and your comment wasn’t fall in that case because you did give your reasons as to why you hate mainland and so my article doesn’t reflect your opinion … I shall improve my English. Lol

          • misscriticize
            August 30, 2013 at 7:26 pm (11 months ago)

            Okay, that clears things up. Phew! No your English was perfect it’s just because I’m tired and I couldn’t read properly. lol. :)

            Nice blog by the way.

          • Jin Wong
            August 30, 2013 at 7:39 pm (11 months ago)

            Thank you!

  56. Natio
    December 30, 2013 at 2:07 am (7 months ago)

    I always find it funny when some clueless overseas chinese and chinese insult Hong Kong people like “British imperialist slave” when most of them are actually living or desperately trying to make their child study in British commonwealth or America.

    Just because you feel you are now facing racism from some white classmates and colleagues doesn’t make you know more about Taiwan or Hong Kong people, although I understand it would probably drive you to go nuts or pro-peking nationalist. And one fact about Hong Kong, it’s a multicultural melting pot, tens of thousand of South Asian and SE Asian are Hong Kong people who adopt Hong Kong values. If you think being ethnically chinese has anything to do with being Hong Kong people, you are just as racist as neo-racist badmouthing asian.

    • sai fuk
      December 31, 2013 at 3:20 am (7 months ago)

      I think it’s rather hilarious that you didn’t read my post at all judging by your response.
      I daresay it’s quite representative of your kinds of people.
      If you bothered to read any parts of my post, you will clearly see most of it is dedicated to deconstructing chinese as a nationality, but as an ethnicity. I also said that if you didn’t like Pekin, you can support whatever other chinese entities you so desire. I do not care either way. Your ignorance of my post is astounding.
      And yes, Hong Kong is slaving away to be a cheaper carbon copy of the West. I am fully aware of that, but so is China – and pretty much the whole of East Asia is slaving away at its masters’ cock, just as much as they slaved away at the Manchus’ cock. My family was just an irregularity in an era that is the cesspool of groveling kowtowing bastards that served its foreign conquistadors called the “Qing Dynasty”. I doubt that’ll change either way.
      Frankly, it’s also amazing that they misunderstand that the West of today is not the West of the yesteryears, which was worth emulating in the past. The present cultural entity of the “West” is a erosive factor for the west itself. But I digress, East Asians will always try to reach the superior social status of the west in any way they can. I can not change that, you can not change that and it will probably never change until we are a grey and brown cesspool of “multicultural” monolithic(yes, monolithic) of festering decadence.


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