Why Hong Kongers Hate Being Called Chinese

When you ask Hong Kongers where are they from, you will get a very typical answer of “I’m from Hong Kong”. You barely hear them say “I’m a Chinese”. Even though Hong Kong has been returned to the sovereignty of China for almost 14 years, Hong Kong people still consider themselves separately from Chinese regarding language, culture and living standard. Why don’t Hong Kongers think of themselves as Chinese? What’s wrong with being a Chinese for them?

Different Languages Used
Imagine, Cantonese is harder to learn than Mandarin (9 tones in Cantonese vs. 4 tones in Mandarin) and less people speak Cantonese than Mandarin, so Hong Kong people think Cantonese is a more exclusive and prestigious language and it creates some kind of language pride to Hong Kong-ese because they’re speaking their “own” language. (Although Guangdong people also speak Cantonese)

Hong Kong was much Richer than China
Hong Kong is a capitalist economy while China is a (partially) socialist one. The economic system had made Hong Kong economically more affluent than China in the old days. Hong Kong was doing well at making clothing, watches and jewellery in the 1960′s-1980′s, though the main economic sectors have been switched to retail, banking and real estate after because of the rising wages and rents in factories. Hong Kong people’s higher income and living standard created their mentality of being more high-status than “Chinese”.

Hong Kong is still continuously using the old law and tax systems as it was when being a British colony, which are different from what China is using. Hong Kong people also think that their economic and political systems are one that is more “civilized” as there are less corruptions and black-market transactions. Hong Kong’s being less corrupted and more transparent has also made Hong Kong people to think that they’re more superior.

Hong Kong People Had Whiter Skin
Don’t laugh, they do think it’s important. White skin represents being more rich in the Greater China (and also Asia) because people with whiter skin don’t need to work outdoor and do physical work where they would expose themselves under the sun. As China was still an agriculture-based economy before, people in rural provinces usually worked in a field and got tanned easily.While in Hong Kong, people usually worked in a factory (in the old days) or office with little exposure to the sun so people in Hong Kong had white skin.

However, tanned skin is getting more popular these days (although white skin is still a predominant measure of beauty and wealthiness) and Chinese people are getting less and less exposed to the sun. Hence, this reason is getting less important in contributing to Hong Kong people’s unwillingness to consider themselves as Chinese.

Fear of Change: Self-identity Crisis before 1997
Before the important year 1997 – where Hong Kong’s sovereignty was returned to China – approached, many Hong Kong people started to migrate to other countries like Canada, Australia, the United States and New Zealand before of the fear of a chaos created by the big political change. During that time they always questioned about their identity, but the more they doubted about it, the more they reckoned themselves as a Hong Kongese because Hong Kong was still much more wealthy than Mainland China which was still developing at that time. The fear of change and the pride of their own economic development only reaffirm Hong Kong people’s identity as being a “Hong Kongese” but not Chinese.

How About Now? China is Doing Good!
Nowadays, Hong Kong people still regard themselves separately from China. But, interestingly, a lot of surveys found that Hong Kong people would be more willing to say they’re Chinese when China performs well in its international image. For example, around the time of the Beijing Olympics Games in 2008, more Hong Kong people were willing to say they are Chinese. But when China was having troubles in issues like food hygiene and human-rights, Hong Kong people wouldn’t say they’re Chinese.

In essence, Hong Kong people’s self-identity is based on the mutual benefits and influence between Hong Kong and China. When China is having good reputations, they don’t mind being a “Chinese”, otherwise they stick to their old “Hong Kong-ese” pride.

Now, more people are learning Mandarin and migrating to China for opportunities, Hong Kong will be likely to greatly benefit from this change. Would Hong Kong people become more willing to regard themselves as a Chinese? It’s still a question.

138 Comments on Why Hong Kongers Hate Being Called Chinese

  1. Kenny
    June 29, 2011 at 3:42 pm (3 years ago)

    I’d say that part of the identity of HK is “not China” (pre-97) or “different from the rest of China” (post-97). In a way, this is the reason HK even exists. I think that HKers relish the choice of being able to say they’re Chinese or they’re from HK, depending on the situation. Culturally, they see themselves as Chinese, with a 5000-year history and a beautiful language. But in terms of living habits and politics, HKers will not say they’re from China because of the negative connotations. China has a long way to go if it wants HKers to be willingly patriotic.

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    • Jin @hkgirltalk
      June 29, 2011 at 4:32 pm (3 years ago)

      Hong Kong people’s recognizing themselves as a Chinese is often associated with pragmatism, like as you said, they are unwilling to do so because of all those negative connotation in the international political realm. I agree that Hong Kong people enjoy the fact that they have choices to choose – to be Chinese or Hong Kongers, it’s the options that make them feel more prestigious and high-status. They enjoy being a Chinese (with a long history and deep culture roots) and a Hong Kong-ese (more open economy and society with less censorship), it’s the shifting of identities that make them feel good.

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      • Kenny
        June 30, 2011 at 10:15 am (3 years ago)

        We also have to take into account the demographics of HK. Very few people have ancestors who lived in Hong Kong more than 5 or 6 generations ago. The vast majority of the HKers are from families who only moved to HK from China within the past 100 years or so. There were reasons people tried so hard to leave China to go to HK, even risking their lives. For some of these people to say they’re from China, it would be like saying their grandparents risked their lives for nothing.

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        • Jin @hkgirltalk
          June 30, 2011 at 10:59 am (3 years ago)

          You are very right. There were only approximately 300,000 population in Hong Kong before it was open for foreign trades. Also, lots of Mainlanders (especially those from Shanghai) moved to Hong Kong during the World War II. So there are very very few real Hong Kong people. Most of the Hong Kong people are originally from Guangdong province.

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    • mina
      February 15, 2012 at 2:43 am (2 years ago)

      My grandparents and parents, and me were born in Hong kong. We are pure catonese. We are hong kongese. We are also chinese. That is how we identify ourselve. When we say hkgese,it simiply means we have our own hk cultures, languages, tradition, law system, and ways of lives..which is very different than people in China. Comparing hk to china, it’s like comparing hk to Taiwan. Or comparing China to Korean. Which is really not exactly the same. We all have our own little culture differences and we live under different government system. People who ancestry were not from Hk would not know hk culture and wouldn’t understand what I am telling them.

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  2. MKL
    June 30, 2011 at 12:47 am (3 years ago)

    Is it similar as in Taiwan, where most people would think of being culturally Chinese or 華人 and politically or by nationality Taiwanese or 臺灣人, not 中國人. Or would that be going too far for Hong Kongers and they would still use the word 中國人 instead of 華人, when they choose to be Chinese?

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    • Jin @hkgirltalk
      June 30, 2011 at 12:57 am (3 years ago)

      Thank you for your comment.

      When Hong Kongers choose to be Chinese (when China is performing well in the international political and economic stage), they regard themselves as a 中國人 (the general term of Chinese) or “a Chinese from Hong Kong”. The term “華人” is more applicable for Taiwanese I guess, or those Chinese who live overseas. But generally, I think Taiwanese mostly use 臺灣人 to identify themselves.

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  3. zenlifefrugal
    June 30, 2011 at 1:06 am (3 years ago)

    I guess Hong Kongers can choose based off of how China is doing in the world and that is what will be what several of them do. If China does well, I guess Hong Kongers will say they are Chinese. If China does poorly, then Hong Kongers will say that they are Hong Kongers. It is a matter of perspective of the local people and how the other countries view the East at any moment in time.

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    • Jin @hkgirltalk
      June 30, 2011 at 1:15 am (3 years ago)

      The trick is that Hong Kong people always relate their self identity to external image – or what we call “faces” – where what others perceive them is of utmost important than what they see themselves as a person. The success or not of China in economic development or political strength will affect Hong Kong’s image, hence the emergence of this kind of thoughts by Hong Kongers.

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      • zenlifefrugal
        June 30, 2011 at 1:29 am (3 years ago)

        I guess this idea of “face” occurs kinda across Asia. Koreans are very much like that as well. Being able to look and do well is very important; going against the norms or doing poorly tends to be looked down upon.

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        • Jin @hkgirltalk
          June 30, 2011 at 1:35 am (3 years ago)

          Having “face” and avoiding losing “face” are very important in Asia especially China. Because it is not just about you but also your family, because your family means your blood and your ancestors, and so your pedigree.

          It’s always related to family in the end, or at least partially related.

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          • zenlifefrugal
            June 30, 2011 at 1:40 am (3 years ago)

            I understand that feeling. Good names are important. It takes just one person to ruin the name for an entire family.

            Having dated some Koreans, one can notice how big of a deal being able to look good to others and having a good name is. I would imagine that the Chinese would go through a similar thing as well.

            In way, it happens here in the USA as well. Not as forward or direct, but on a subconscious level of sorts.

          • Jin @hkgirltalk
            June 30, 2011 at 1:43 am (3 years ago)

            Like what other readers said, “in Korea, fashion is the king”. Korean girls need to look good for them to feel good.

            But in Hong Kong and China, you have to look good because you want because to think that you are a good person. Funny huh?

          • zenlifefrugal
            June 30, 2011 at 1:46 am (3 years ago)

            In a way, that’s kinda ironic. Kinda a matter of “faking until you make it” (or basically, trying to look good until things get better) syndrome.

          • Jin @hkgirltalk
            June 30, 2011 at 1:47 am (3 years ago)

            It’s more like “because things get better, it’s time to look good in that way”. ;P

          • zenlifefrugal
            June 30, 2011 at 1:51 am (3 years ago)

            I see. Interesting perspective. Not sure I follow that mindset. But if it works for them, all the power to them!

          • Jin @hkgirltalk
            June 30, 2011 at 7:19 am (3 years ago)

            It would be interesting to see the change of Hong Kong people’s self identity. :)

  4. Jeff
    June 30, 2011 at 7:54 am (3 years ago)

    Is because they afraid to admit their original roots. HK people, especially young girls, afraid to lose that fragile mask of cutie-beautie angel girl. Or “High Status” girl. They afraid people to see their real nature, that’s why they hate to be called chinese, because it is what they truly are. There is nothing wrong with being chinese or have chinese roots or any other nation. Seems many HK people just hate their true origin.

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    • Jin @hkgirltalk
      June 30, 2011 at 8:00 am (3 years ago)

      Thanks for your comment Jeff. It’s no doubt that Hong Kongers are Chinese in nature, what make them different is the ever-changing political status and economic development because of the colonial effect. It might just be an excuse for Hong Kong people to try to appear as high-status, or they are just afraid of being a Chinese because of China’s fluctuating image on the international relations. I guess this is what the “fear” you said comes from. In the capitalism economy, everyone wants to be high-status and prestigious, Hong Kong people are also under great influence of capitalism.

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      • nicolewong23
        March 3, 2012 at 5:34 pm (2 years ago)

        Not necessarily, it is not because of ‘high status’ or ‘shame/face’ etc.
        It is because when they come to Hong Kong they do not follow our rules, even if we warn them. it happens all the time. they spit on the floor, they eat in the trains when clearly, there are dozens of ‘please do not eat or drink in the train’ and when the subway/train opens its doors they do not wait for the people to come out, they charge in not caring. They even called us dogs and bastards etc. (it was broadcasted on the news and to youtube) so tell me, if someone trashes your country and insults you, would you like them?

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        • Jin
          March 6, 2012 at 4:43 pm (2 years ago)

          Thanks for your comment, Nicole.

          No one would like people who don’t obey our laws.

          Bear in mind, Hong Kong-ese sometimes don’t follow rules either, but the point is, “we can break the law, you Mainlander can’t”.

          So the point here is, while we HK-ese blaming Mainlanders on breaking the law, we ourselves should think about what we should do rather than what others should do.

          I trust that you’re a great HK citizen. What I refer to above is those who aren’t.

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          • nicolewong23
            March 6, 2012 at 7:55 pm (2 years ago)

            I’m not saying we can break the law, let’s put it this way, an person barges into your home, and does whatever he wants and when he has had enough he leaves. Do you see where I’m getting at?
            Even animals, such as dogs for examples, when they enter another dog’s territory they won’t do what they usually do in their territory. I know not all Mainlanders act like the stereotypical mainlanders i suppose? but in terms of generalizing the majority of them, sadly it’s true.
            I once went to visit China because of a school trip for 7 days, I believed. On the first few days i arrived, I got scammed quite a lot and, people pointed, at me and started whispering for some apparent reason. But my main point is that, most people don’t actually hear the HKer’s side of the story to why we detest the mainalanders so much and assumes we are snobby and arrogant people.

          • Jin
            March 8, 2012 at 10:40 am (2 years ago)

            I’m sorry that you had bad experience.

            Well, experiences do affect people’s sentiment. Good luck to you.

          • eyeren
            December 18, 2012 at 9:05 pm (2 years ago)

            I totally agree with what you say. I know that not all Mainlanders act like the stereotypical mainlanders because I have some as friends. And yes, I also saw that video of them calling us dogs; that was very impertinent of them. I do admit that I call myself a Chinese during every Olympic. Hong Kong is quite a small place after all; we don’t have that many athletes. I really admire those really cool hard-working athletes, but when @Jin said: ‘Bear in mind, Hong Kong-ese sometimes don’t follow rules either, but the point is, “we can break the law, you Mainlander can’t”.’, I disagree. I do think that some Hong Kongese should improve their manners, but mainlanders, woah, way too far. Those rude Hong Kongese shouldn’t spit on the ground, and neither should the mainlanders.
            Once I went to Ocean Park. I could very well tell who was from mainland China and who wasn’t. The ones that did walked right in front of someone taking a photo, turns out I was right because they spoke fluent Beijing accent (or some other accent) Mandarin afterwards.
            I can’t be bothered to continue, but you know where I’m getting at.

  5. Jeff
    July 1, 2011 at 4:53 am (3 years ago)

    Hong Kong original population is very diverse. You can meet different kinds of people, different mentality, styles, views, backgrounds. Some of them would correct you each time you call them Chinese in context that they live near China. Not Korea or Japan. Some take it without any sub-meaning and big emotion. It is good to be proud of your place and culture you are born into. Face it, many HK people are born in Mainland China. Maybe it is that “Style” thing that then don’t feel comfortable with. People are so concerned what others with think about them in some situation, when in fact others don’t really think much about it..

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    • Jin @hkgirltalk
      July 1, 2011 at 9:13 am (3 years ago)

      They are very diverse. Most of them don’t really “come from” Hong Kong, de facto, they are Chinese technically because Hong Kong is now a part of China. When people say something god about China in conversations, they would probably admit that they’re Chinese, otherwise they say they’re Hong Kongese. I think they not only have different mentality in expressing their self-identity, but also different ways to express this identity, and it is very much dependent on the situations where they need to express it. Whatever it is beneficial for them to show that they’re doing better and they’re high-status, they would do it. Hong Kong is very status-oriented.

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  6. Sara
    July 9, 2011 at 6:10 pm (3 years ago)

    Thank you for this interesting post! I’m living in Guangzhou and have been to Hong Kong only twice which obviously isn’t enough to know or understand Hong Kong. I just found your blog today and hope it will open up Hong Kong for me (or atleast a part of it).

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    • Jin
      July 9, 2011 at 8:29 pm (3 years ago)

      Thanks for stopping over my blog and your comment Sara.I’m glad that you like reading my blog. I think there are a lot of cultural phenomena that is worth exploring in Hong Kong. I also took a look of your blog, interesting writings and perspectives of a non-Chinese. :)

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  7. Nick
    July 11, 2011 at 11:59 pm (3 years ago)

    Even though HK is technically part of China, people would still consider themselves from HK and not China. It’s only natural to do so because that’s where they are from.
    Ask someone from Scotland whether they consider themselves to be British or Scottish? I’m a Scot will be more than likely the answer. And I don’t see a problem with that.

    That has nothing to do with pride or supremacy. Surely there are people who think like that, but it’s not as black and white as you portray it. That HK people are lost, hypocrite and suffer from identity crisis, that’s rubbish. That’s what YOU (and your know it all gweimui point of view) make of it.

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    • Jin
      July 12, 2011 at 12:03 am (3 years ago)

      Thanks for your comment, Nick. I think Hong Kong people just try to be specific about where they are from. It’s natural that people from an independent region would distinguish themselves from people in other provinces. Just like Shanghai people would say they’re from Shanghai because it’s a municipality city. I also don’t see a problem with that, I’m just saying why Hong Kong people are like that.

      I don’t know if it is what I made of it, but HK people are still HK people, nothing can change them.

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  8. 王帅
    July 21, 2011 at 3:08 am (3 years ago)

    I think the people from shanghai ,zhejiang and jiangsu are more white than HK People besides shanghainese think hkers are rich , tanned and shorter people
    And Ive been in HK most of the people are tanned skin and the color skin is not about because they work indoor or outdoor is because the fujian and guangdong heritage most of hong kong people have

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    • Jin
      July 21, 2011 at 7:20 am (3 years ago)

      Thanks for your comment. Yes, a lot of people in China think that Hong Kongers are rich, but Hong Kongers are shorter indeed. For the skin tone, I think that Zhejiang and Beijing people are very white, it might be because of the whether (which is more cold than that in Hong Kong). The reason who Hong Kong people’s skin colour is more tanned than people in the northern region is obvious – Hong Kong is a sub-tropical region where there is more sunlight.

      For the Fujian and Guangdong heritage part, I’m not that sure. Fujian and Guangdong people are less white than Zhejiang and Beijing people genetically anyway. But what I’m try to say in the article is that in the old days where Mainlanders still worked in the field, Hong Kong people were indeed way more white physically, now it might not be the case.

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  9. Cal
    July 24, 2011 at 6:32 am (3 years ago)

    I dont understand. When a New Yorker says, ‘I am from New York’, no one makes a fuss about it. When a Honger says, ‘I am from HKG’, everyone (well, those who bothers to care) raises their eyebrows.

    Most people would agree that ‘New York is not the US’ (in terms of representation); why can’t Hong Kong fill the comparable spot for China?

    Isn’t such sensitivity a sign of an inferiority complex of those over-reacted?
    At the end of the day, who cares? The mainland Chinese nowadays are in charge of livelihood of Hong Kong. Everyone here does know who the BOSS is.

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    • Jin
      July 24, 2011 at 2:24 pm (3 years ago)

      Thanks for your comment, Cal.

      Hong Kong people think that they’re more superior because that is the tradition created by the old Chinese society before when China was still very undeveloped. Now Mainland Chinese people don’t care anymore because some of them are getting even more rich then Hong Kong people. It’s just that HK people still want to appear as high-status as always so this mindset won’t be changed in a short time.

      New York might not be the US, and so HK is not China as well.

      I think that you might be right that HK people are over-reacted, the boss is the Chinese people of course, but HK people are still proud of their being superior in the old days.

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  10. CP
    July 31, 2011 at 9:03 pm (3 years ago)

    This is a really good post, HKgirl, and you sum things up really well. HKers generally look down on mainlanders but yet take pride in being “Chinese” when things are going good. This is a really major issue that’s frustrated me, being HK-born, because it seems quite hypocritical. I get that HKers have enjoyed a lot higher standard of living than mainlanders (and still do), but it doesn’t make them intrinsically superior. For instance, all these efficient laws, standards and institutions were developed by the British which HKers as loyal subjects benefited from.
    As I said, you sum up the complexity of the issue really well, so I’m not taking issue with you. I really wish HKers can be more openminded and more tolerant of mainlanders. On the other hand, I can sense some slight feelings of insecurity with HKers over China’s growing power, such as linguistically with the increasing importance of Mandarin or the decreasing standards of English.

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    • Jin
      July 31, 2011 at 9:20 pm (3 years ago)

      Thanks for your comment CP. I think that HKers have mixed feeling being a Hong Kong citizen with the Chinese nationality. You’re right that they take credits of China’s being good and avoid being a ‘Chinese’ when China is not doing well. I think what makes the whole thing sad is that HKers are being too insecure about their own identity. There’s no needs to care about the labels that much as long as you’re proud of being who you are being.

      Thanks for your comment again. I will write more articles. I feel like there are not a lot of blogs in HK having discussions like this. :)

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  11. Felix
    August 15, 2011 at 8:45 am (3 years ago)

    Culturally and linguistically, people of Hong Kong are Chinese. I think they just hate to be associated with the People’s Republic of China. Because of Hong Kong’s British colonial history, they somehow consider China to be foreign and beneath them. “Chinese” doesn’t only refer to the People’s Republic of China, it applies to everyone who has Chinese heritage. It’s just sad when people abandon their ethnic identity because of politics.

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    • Jin
      August 15, 2011 at 8:59 am (3 years ago)

      True. I agree that to define a nation, it’s people’ blood and original heritage that matter. Hong Kongers’ not recognizing themselves as Chinese is to show their superiority and separation from the criticisms borne by China. It’s like a self-defence. However, when there’s any comprises enjoyed by China, Hong Kong also wants to take the credit. Sometimes I doubt that if Hong Kong people know who they are. I believe that time will tell.

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  12. Harold
    August 21, 2011 at 2:14 pm (3 years ago)

    This is a very true and insightful post. I live in BC Canada and we now have a very large hong-kong chinese population, especially in vancouver and richmond. The majority of these people came in the early 90′s as they feared the hand-over of Hong Kong to Mainland China. They felt they would have lost freedoms or their capitalist ways of living.

    And, for the longest time, in class or other places, when asked, they would say they are from Hong Kong. This was because China was still poor and the cities were not as developed as Hong Kong. But now, Beijing, Shanghai are better than Hong Kong, and the economy of China is the strongest in the world, and now everyone says they are Chinese and they love China.

    During the Beijing Olympics, they openly cheered for China, and yet during the Winter Olympics, they cheered for Canada. I am not against this, but it seems, Hong Kong Chinese only show love for the Mainland when it is for their benefit or suits them.

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    • Jin
      August 22, 2011 at 1:14 am (3 years ago)

      Thanks for your comment Harold.

      I think in exactly the same way as what you think. Hong Kong Chinese only recognize their “Chinese” root when the Chinese government is doing well in the international stage, for example during Beijing Olympics. It’s not that they hate being a Chinese, it’s just that Hong Kong’s culture has long been developed into one that status is of utmost important to everyone. When there’s something HK people can use to show their status, they would do it. Self-identification is a way to show their status. That’s why HK people especially like showing their status by bringing down Chinese, or not recognizing themselves as Chinese.

      But as the Chinese economy becomes stronger and stronger, HK people’s thinking may change. Whether it’s good or not? Who knows. HK people are still who they are. Status is still very important for them. As China is gaining status, their self-identification will also exchange accordingly.

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      • Harold
        August 25, 2011 at 1:37 am (3 years ago)

        Yes that is true Jin, however, unlike Taiwan which is a regional governmental split, this has to do with a cultural/intellectual split.

        Hong Kong people actually think they are better than people from the Mainland. Although many people in Taiwan say they are from Taiwan, they always say they are Chinese first. I’ve never heard anyone say “I am Taiwanese”…

        I remember in one of my poli sci classes at university, we were talking about how it is beneficial for people from BC to learn Mandarin or Hindi for the future and not French since China and India will rise, and most of the HK people in class, even though they are now Canadian-born or raised, said that Mandarin is for lower-class worker Chinese and that the rich and elites speak Cantonese and that if you wanted to do business in China or HK, Cantonese would get you further.

        This seems extraordinary no? You would hardly see anyone disassociate themselves with their own country/cultural group simply because they perceive it to be below them. And yet, if there is a Beijing Olympics they are carrying the PRC flag, but when it was Olympics, they would say we are Hong Konger/Canadians etc.

        I agree that eventually the Mainland China will surpass Hong Kong in all aspects from living standards, eventually more open/democratic government, but if they are so rooted in their ways, I think there will always be a “we are cantonese hong konger” mentality no? Hong Kong itself is being less associated as a separate entity, but most HK people still believe they are somehow separate.

        Please let me know what you think. All the HK people I have met, have led me to believe they are “chinese for convenience” meaning that they are Chinese when the government or mainland is doing good, but HK when it is doing bad.

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        • Jin
          August 25, 2011 at 1:58 am (3 years ago)

          Thanks for your comment again, Harold.

          Hong Kong people consider themselves as “Hong Kongese” because they have been historically more rich than Mainland Chinese and Taiwainese. In the old days, when Mainland China was still under developed with limited travel facilities, Hong Kong people always went to Taiwan for a short trip where they found the money were in good value (because they earn a lot for them to spend in Taiwan).

          Now China is growing fast while Taiwan is also doing good, Hong Kong people’s insecurity emerge. The more they’re scared of being surpassed, the more superior they want to appear before outsiders. When outsiders ask HK people where they are from, they would then say “I’m from Hong Kong”. For Taiwan, it was not a colony after all. Also, Taiwan’s political separation from China is originated from the defeat of the other political party before China got united in 1949. So Taiwanese are Chinese in nature.

          While for Hong Kong, it was under the governance of the Great Britain, there were lots of cultural influx and inter-cultural exchange. Meanwhile, Europe and America were considered strong countries historically, so it was a natural result for Hong Kong people to consider themselves a bit more international and hence, “superior” than Mainland Chinese or Taiwainese.

          Hong Kong’s economic prosperity has created lots of status-conscious people. To lift up their status, HK people make use of every time they can, hence the mentality of “I’m a Chinese” when China is doing good and the “I’m a Hong Kongese” when China is not doing well.

          Hope that answer your questions.

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          • John
            February 28, 2012 at 1:09 pm (2 years ago)

            I don’t quite agree with that statement in which Taiwanese are still considered Chinese or that Hong Kong people are considered chinese, because then you would have to apply that same rule to Americans and British. Most Caucasians in North America originated from Europe, why are they not called British or French?
            The way I see it is, people seem to forget that nations are found and destroyed every once in awhile, and most people are originated from the same root if we track our DNA deep enough. The whole Hong Kong Taiwan Chna thing is best seen as Australia, British, Americans. Each with different accent, culture and lifestyle standards despite them all speaking the same language. Taiwan;s mandarin is very different than China’s mandarin just like how british’s english are different than aussie’s or americans. Now with Hon Kong cantonese is actually a different language, it’d be like French instead of English. The way I see it now, Hong Kong nowadays is sort of like French Canadians.

          • John
            February 28, 2012 at 1:20 pm (2 years ago)

            Also I forgot to say that time changes people, 100 + years are significant enough to change the way of people. I mean if we track deep enough, maybe most asians are originated from the same place, maybe Japanese was once part of Chinese in another era or time that got cut off from our historical understandings. We pretty much have to map our DNA really deep to find out.

          • Jin
            February 28, 2012 at 1:26 pm (2 years ago)

            Exactly. Our identity is just a “language”. We can interpret the same meanings of different languages in different ways.

            Chinese, Asian, Japanese, HK-ese. Taiwanese. These are just words.

          • Jin
            February 28, 2012 at 1:26 pm (2 years ago)

            Exactly. Our identity is just a “language”. We can interpret the same meanings of different languages in different ways.

            Chinese, Asian, Japanese, HK-ese. Taiwanese. These are just words.

          • Jin
            February 28, 2012 at 1:24 pm (2 years ago)

            I think that a person’s identity is defined by the way he lives, the culture he believe it and the life he’s been living.

            If you’re Chinese in root but live in Canada for your whole life, you don’t consider yourself as Chinese. You think of yourself as a Canadian. That’s how you express yourself to people in general.

            Deep down, you might still want to embrace the culture of your root country and so sometimes you call yourself “Chinese” even though you don’t even speak Chinese and live in other country for your whole life.

            Because of the different ways of presentation, others find it confusing as to who you are. In the end, self-identification is an issue you need to solve by yourself. We all have different judgement and opinions. There is no absolute answer. We represent ourselves in different ways to make it more efficient for the society to understand and support.

            My opinion here is that Hong Kong is still Chinese in root, but the cultural and historical background make them unique in some sense so it’s hard for them and for others to tell who they really are.

          • Elye
            September 13, 2012 at 10:06 pm (2 years ago)

            You’re making the assumption that HK-ers don’t know who they are. Alot of HKers KNOW who they are. I don’t know one HK-er who has denied they are Chinese in root. Saying you are Chinese does not need to mean you are from China, it could just mean you are of Chinese heritage. There’s no need for HK-ers to say they are Chinese in most cases too because it is almost inherent that they are from Chinese heritage if they say they are Hong Kongers given the homogeneity of HK. As a Chinese Canadian, I have never felt any of my family or friends in HK having a problem saying they are Chinese; what they don’t identify with is being called mainlander. To you say that all HKers have an identity crisis seems like a huge generalization.

  13. My Kafkaesque life
    August 25, 2011 at 8:26 am (3 years ago)

    Dear Harold, let me comment on your part about Taiwanee. Maybe you haven’t heard anyone say “I am Taiwanese!”, but you can’t base your argument on that fact. I live in Taiwan and believe me, majority of my Taiwanese friends and coworkers would say “I am Taiwanese!” before “I am Chinese!” when it comes to nationality. Many would say they have Chinese roots, heritage, parts of culture, but it goes beyond the identity crisis of Hong Kongers. Taiwanese vs. Chinese is for me similar to what happened to Austrians after 1945. They saw themselves as Germans and gradually developed their own identity. The difference is, that Germany has no issues with that, but Taiwan/China is too complex to explain in a comment, even in an essay. I’m living in Taiwan and observing all these contradictions and still trying to understand how Taiwanese think and function. One day I hope I can write an in-depth analysis, but for now I’ll leave it at this.

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    • Jin
      August 26, 2011 at 2:01 pm (3 years ago)

      To me, Taiwanese are less against to being a Chinese but they would still say that “I’m a Taiwanese” first. That would be cool if you write an in-depth article about how Taiwanese recognize their identity. :)

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  14. My Kafkaesque life
    August 26, 2011 at 2:37 pm (3 years ago)

    Jin, Taiwanese idenitity is a very complex issue full of contradictions, whether a person is pro China as PRC or pro China as ROC or pro Taiwan – there are usually no simple answers. I hear “We Chinese” or “We Taiwanese” interchangeably, but when they say Chinese, they don’t mean it as Nationals of PRC or even ROC,, but as 華人 or even 漢人, more in a cultural way. I’d say majority of Taiwanese are in this area, but there are also extremes, very pro Taiwanese or very pro Chinese. Not sure I will ever be able to relate to this complexity as a foreigner :)

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    • Jin
      August 26, 2011 at 2:46 pm (3 years ago)

      Thanks for the insightful explanation! Sometimes I don’t know how to distinguish between 華人 or 漢人, not to mention how Taiwanese refer themselves to PRC or ROC. I feel like when people recognize themselves as Chinese, they relate it to a cultural way as you say. After all, China is a huge country with 5,000 years of history. That’s also what makes things complicated in China

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  15. Chan
    January 28, 2012 at 10:41 pm (2 years ago)

    I am from Hong Kong, the 1 country 2 system is more or less running, but China is violating this contract bit by bit. Our government is not democratic, only 50% of the legislation council is democratic.

    15years after the handover, a recent poll conducted by HK University (http://hkupop.hku.hk/english/popexpress/ethnic/eidentity/poll/datatables.html) for People’s Ethnic Identity shows that :

    HK Citizen: 37.7%
    HK Citizen (of China): 25.3%
    Chinese Citizen (of HK): 17.8%
    Chinese Citizen: 16.6%
    Others: 0.6%
    Unknown: 2.1%

    Note that HK Citizen sector (sum of 63.0%) is way higher of the Chinese citizen sector (sum of 35.4), in which Pure HK Citizen is more than double of the Pure Chinese citizen shows how much we DON’T recognize with China.

    China cannot become the next superpower by replacing USA, it must not happen.
    Look at what they (note that I used “they”) are doing to the people in Tibet (non-Han origin), what do you think they are going to do to the world once they don’t need to fear or care about your country.

    Thank God that Obama finally realized it and is moving the USA focus from Middle East to East Asia. We need to keep them Chinese govt in check.

    Chan From Hong Kong

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    • mina
      February 15, 2012 at 2:54 am (2 years ago)

      I absolutely agree with you. I am from hk. I see how the china gov’t are violating the one country two systems in Hong kong. It is important that USA remain as one of the superpower to keep China in check. Both China and USA need to keep each other in check to avoid either one country from complete dominance.
      I have to say, the 7 millions population in Hk..only 5 millions are hongkongese, the rest are foreigners from china, india, and other countries. So there are only probably a little less than 2 millions hk women to give birth to the next hk generation..and which now they claim hk women has one of the lowest birth rate in the world. The china women comes in flock to give birth using hk benefits for free and getting citizenship. Hong kong people and our cultures are facing extinction.

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      • Jin
        February 16, 2012 at 10:41 am (2 years ago)

        I hope that Hong Kong people will try to preserve our culture. While blaming on others’ cultural invasion, we ourselves should try to appreciate our own culture rather than just adapting other people’s culture, e.g. the way of dressing, the dining culture and the language used for daily conversation (some HK-ese speak English with fellow HK-ese).

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    • anz
      May 23, 2012 at 4:04 pm (2 years ago)

      chan is absolutley right. the reasons that HKers dislike mainland china is the same reasons the rest of the world dislike , fear or are suspicious of china in general. the PRC wants EVERYONE to kkowtow to beijing , look at the way they treat their own people, imagine what they would do to the whites and “the lesser races” of the world if they were in charge…our children would be defecating and pissing in the street, malls.airplanes…

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  16. cvm888ordon
    February 27, 2012 at 9:25 pm (2 years ago)

    Hk peeps think they are white ( british) and want to hide the fact that beneath the shadow of tall steel towers, mighty financial centers, they were once just exactly like the mainlanders, poor, unwashed and uncouth..the world sees the chinese as such – now its the hongkongers turn to look down on someone (since the hongkies have been looked down upon by the colonial masters for so long) its just ironic that the HK peeps are looking down upon thier own race…they also forget that HK success story was written by the white people -…the pot calling the kettle black s they might say..

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    • Jin
      February 28, 2012 at 9:38 am (2 years ago)

      Maybe some of the HK people think that they’re white, but deep down, there are still a lot of uniqueness in terms of culture, social stability, language etc. that are different from Mainland China. You can say that every person who has a Chinese root is Chinese, of course. But when you see them as a person who grows up in different culture compared with the ones who grow up in Mainland China, the former might not even sound like a Chinese (the type of Chinese in China).

      So, I agreed with you in some points, but also think that you should judge the world more precisely and consider the contexts of each situation rather than the big picture.

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  17. lola
    March 2, 2012 at 5:36 pm (2 years ago)

    i think the hkers are proud to be hkers (and thats ok)- and yes i do see how hkers want to =have a distinct identity than the mainland chinese if i were a hker i would not want to be associated with mainlanders who make me look bad – having said that i have been to hk for over twenty years on business and pleasure i can assure you – you will not find any other place where the people are so rude!!! ask anyone whos been to hk shops and they will tell you the shopkeeper will get mad at you if you ask price and not buy!
    the hk people only want to see you spend, if you cant spend your useless!

    another useless debate is identity – to the whole world you are chinese wether or not you come from hk or taiwan or mainland – your generation should start learning manners before its too late for hk..

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    • Jin
      March 2, 2012 at 5:40 pm (2 years ago)

      Thanks for sharing your experience, Lola!

      I’m sorry that you have bad experience with the shop staff here. In my own experience, they’re usually quite nice. Of course there are bad ones. I have to say sometimes the customer’s manner matters as well. (don’t take it personal)

      But to be honest, the society in HK is quite extreme now. People are either so nice, so rude or so crazy. I’m not sure if it has to do with the widening income gap and immigrant influx. It does make HK more interesting for me to write about, though! :)

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    • mainlander
      April 13, 2012 at 12:46 pm (2 years ago)

      that has a lot to do with a less developed sense of honour. lacking sense of honour, one could easily resort to cheat, abuse and vulgarity for short term gain.

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    • eyeren
      December 18, 2012 at 10:00 pm (2 years ago)

      Well, that’s true for everywhere around the world. I am not happy with that French lady I met in a cafe when I just wanted to get a drink. Anyways, there are nice hong kong peeps and rude ones like Jin has mentioned. And as I said earlier, this applies to everywhere in the world, but maybe in hong kong, there are more rudies than nicies … ? AND which is why people usually say, ‘I’ll come back and have a look later’ or ‘Thanks’ and smile when you’re only asking what the price is. I’m sure everyone knows that there are other shops where you can buy the same thing. If they want to take it out on you, that’s fine because there’s always competition in this world. Well, at least that’s what I think: ‘Curse me if you want; it won’t do you any good; you won’t see me again, if you do, you won’t even remember me~’ … yeah …

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  18. westy
    March 2, 2012 at 5:42 pm (2 years ago)

    i think the chinese in general are so out of step with what is moral, polite and classy being wealthy does not buy class.

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    • Jin
      March 2, 2012 at 5:46 pm (2 years ago)

      The super local Chinese? I think in general, yes – even those living in top-tier cities like Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou. In Hong Kong, I can’t judge. I think I just get used to it, sometimes wealthy people are very rude and un-classy, but I noticed those educated overseas are of better manners.

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  19. mainlander
    April 3, 2012 at 6:14 pm (2 years ago)

    interesting self-stereotyping of hk ppl. for the much loaded cantonese pride, it just happens that i came across a comment about cantonese ppl: “…every negative Western stereotype about asians can be attributed to the Cantonese: thick lips, buck teeth, flat nose, stout and dark, ching chong language, dirty, uncouth, spitting, blowing snot rockets, you name it…”

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  20. foobar
    April 9, 2012 at 9:39 pm (2 years ago)

    Hong Kong people should stop feeling superior to the mainland Chinese and to Westerners who are not British because they are not superior to anyone. Compared to the Chinese Hong Kong people are short, fat and/or ugly. Hong Kong is not less corrupted than China, and if HKers are poorer now they should blame it on their speculation economy. Those who are with China when China performs well and against China when China performs bad are turncoats. If Hong Kong people do not like China then why don´t they all leave to Britain.

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    • Anthony Taiwanese-Chinese
      June 24, 2012 at 12:28 am (2 years ago)

      Very well said if they despise there own Chinese roots they can be a Brit in there next life. I for one is proud to be of Chinese roots and I make sure I let all the foreigners dont f— with any of us.

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  21. mainlander
    April 13, 2012 at 12:32 pm (2 years ago)

    feeling superior? good for hk ppl. given the world is made up of differences for us to make judgement upon, its mere human to be discriminatory and thats how we human have progressed. one key feature of our intuition is to discriminate ppl based on their look and we are intuitively attracted to good look.

    for those who have had the experience of living in china, they are probably aware of the disregard for the cantonese clan by other chinese, especially the northerners. call it superficial but look has always been super important in our perception of ourselves and other ppl. that is also why hakka ppl(origined from central china but moved to live in the south) prefer to differentiate themselves from the cantonese. from my own personal encounters, hakka ppl tend to look more refine, taller and of lighter skin tone. even with the cantonese’ economic affluence in the last few decades(merely becoz of early headstart and china’s political misfortune rather than anything intrinsic of cantonese origin), this “looking down at the cantonese” sensation persists. with this understanding, one should be able to easily empathize with some hk ppl’s need to indulge in this precious sense of betterment before hk’s “exclusive and prestigous” glory becomes a nostalgia backflash.

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  22. mainlander
    April 13, 2012 at 12:36 pm (2 years ago)

    genetically many cantonese are actually more connected to viets and thais than to chinese of central or northern origin, which explains the physical resemblance between cantonese and other SE asians(the accents as well). from my personal encounters, if i run into a cantoense-speaker who looks more refine, tall and of fairer skin tone, it turns out his/ her recent ancestral root, more likely than not, is from outside the cantonese area.

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  23. mainlander
    April 13, 2012 at 12:38 pm (2 years ago)

    A 3rd party’s(non-Chinese) view on difference between southern Cantonese and northern mainlanders:

    “Regarding the superficial references….this has nothing to do with tv/movie stars. I live in San Francisco where theres a large Cantonese population and growing numbers of mainlanders. I dont deny that the lines are extremely blurry, but for the most part, its not very hard to tell the difference between Cantonese speakers and Mandarin speakers.

    I dont have the luxury of actually comparing the features of people in China. I can only base my assumptions on those who migrate to my area. Those who speak Mandarin have a look much more similar to Koreans and Japanese compared to their Cantonese counterparts. Those in the North tend to have larger nose and noseridges, more of a “white” skin color, small slanted eyes and taller in height… As for the Cantonese people, for the most part, there are a mixture of “pure” Chinese blood and tribes of South Asia or a more malayan look”

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  24. Ronald M Kim
    April 24, 2012 at 2:16 pm (2 years ago)

    Oh, I guess this article is all about the self-identity of Hong Kong people. Based on what I’ve found, even though Hong Kong dislike being associated with Mainland Compatriots, or called Chinese whenever the negative image of Mainland China comes up, but they still worry their compatriot across the border, like Taiwanese people do (especially for Taiwanese people who fled to Taiwan from Mainland China including Hong Kong, after World War 2 (台灣外省人)).

    However, unlike Hong Kong people and Taiwanese, it seems like most ethnic Chinese people from Southeast Asia (excluding the new Chinese immigrants from their ancestral homeland), chiefly Chinese Singaporeans, are indifferent to their ancestral homeland like it is none of their business.

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  25. mycheung
    April 30, 2012 at 10:39 am (2 years ago)

    Cantonese people are actually of a different ethnic group than those from the northern due to China having been constantly invaded by northern tribes such as the Huns, Jin, Mongols, and Manchus. Cantonese people are a lot more closer in relation to those in Vietnam because the ancient 南越國 spanned from Vietnam to southern Chinese provinces such as Guangdong and Fujian until it was annexed by ancient China around the Han Dynasty onwards.

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  26. Cheungcheung
    May 13, 2012 at 3:19 pm (2 years ago)

    因为香港人跟越南人是一个种群,所以说长的很难看,跟越南人一样,眼窝深陷,高颧骨,蒜头鼻。曾经站在旺角,看了一小时的来来往往香港本地女孩,惨不忍睹!

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    • Cheungcheung
      May 13, 2012 at 3:21 pm (2 years ago)

      jinwong图片头像是典型的广东或香港长相。因为眉骨高,像jinwong那样把尾端眉毛刮掉实在是大败笔。

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    • OK
      January 2, 2013 at 1:52 pm (2 years ago)

      Silly! You Mainlanders are just like pigs’ head, fat round face with tiny features.

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  27. Mickey
    June 1, 2012 at 2:27 pm (2 years ago)

    I understand there are both good people and bad people in any country, but my experience in Hong Kong was very depressing…

    Please let me explain what happened to me and my wife yesterday: I am a Japanese who got married to a Chinese woman, and we were trying to go to Japan to hold a wedding ceremony tomorrow. Since it was quicker and cheaper to fly from Hong Kong, we decided to fly from there. Additionally, because she is pregnant, we obtained extra documents to get to an airplane.

    HOWEVER, the Hong Kong Immigration REJECTED her to get in to Hong Kong even I am with her to explain we just want to get into Hong Kong to fly to Japan!!! My wife had a visa to stay in Japan which took some time, and we made sure to bring all the supporting documents to fly, but the immigration officer simply said “… the locals are treated differently… the doctor’s letter is not sufficient enough to accept you to China”!! It was very shocking moment, and my wife could say nothing but to cry. Since I hold Japanese citizenship, I explained we are not interested in Hong Kong citizenship, but the inspector kept denying….

    I understand that some Chinese people cause troubles to Hong Kong, but they way Hong Kong treated my wife was simply heartless… I think some Hong Kong people have serious problems about “I am better than the Chinese locals” attitudes, but I think this is passing over the human rights. Hong Kong people should learn if they discriminate people like that, they cannot say anything if they will get discriminated when Hong Kong will be governed by China. Please let me explain what happened to me and my wife yesterday: I am a Japanese who got married to a Chinese woman, and we were trying to go to Japan to hold a wedding ceremony tomorrow. Since it was quicker and cheaper to fly from Hong Kong, we decided to fly from there. Additionally, because she is pregnant, we obtained extra documents to get to an airplane.
    HOWEVER, the Hong Kong Immigration REJECTED her to get in to Hong Kong even I am with her to explain we just want to get into Hong Kong to fly to Japan!!! My wife had a visa to stay in Japan which took some time, and we made sure to bring all the supporting documents to fly, but the immigration officer simply said “… the locals are treated differently… the doctor’s letter is not sufficient enough to accept you to China”!! It was very shocking moment, and my wife could say nothing but to cry. Since I hold Japanese citizenship, I explained we are not interested in Hong Kong citizenship, but the inspector kept denying….

    I understand that some Chinese people cause troubles to Hong Kong, but they way Hong Kong treated my wife was simply heartless… I think some Hong Kong people have serious problems about “I am better than the Chinese locals” attitudes, but I think this is coming into human rights. Hong Kong people should learn if they discriminate people like that, they cannot say anything if they will get discriminated when Hong Kong will be governed by China. So sad…

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  28. Mickey
    June 2, 2012 at 9:14 am (2 years ago)

    I want to add to my previous comment: after I left the Hong Kong immigration point, my wife told me the HK immigration officers conducted body check on her, and said something like “you must be trying to trick to have a baby in Hong Kong” with some nasty words. BTW, my wife bought a ticket from China to Japan, and there was no problem… Basically Hong Kong’s position is “WE DO NOT ACCEPT ANY CHINESE LOCAL PREGNANT WOMEN,” but they never actually said that. Because of this, we got humiliated and lost time/ money, and I feel some (of course, not all, but) Hong Kong people are very snobby and arrogant.

    This happened at HuangGang-Hong Kong check point on 2012 May 31st. I really would like to get some apologies from them. At the same time, if you have any idea how to make this information public, please give me your thoughts. Your support is highly appreciated…

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    • mainlander
      June 5, 2012 at 1:57 pm (2 years ago)

      i m very sorry for what had happened to u and ur wife. one option i can now think of is perhaps u could write to the South China Morning Post(SCMP)’s “letters to the editor” thru email(letters@scmp.com) (keep it <400words, including full name, address and phone number). SCMP is a well respected english newspaper in hong kong and widely circulated among public organizations and international companies. i notice the government’s departments often respond to issues concerning their service raised in the said page.

      the increasing expectant mainland mothers coming to have their babies born in hk has caused many problems for hk in the last couple years, just imagine the impact of even 0.001% of a 13billion population on the medical resources of a 7 million-ppl city. both sides’ governments are yet to work out sth more effective than stopping ppl at the border. not that i try to excuse the immigration staff off ur bad experience, but just hoping a bit background information might help u understand why ur wife could actually fall victim to the situation.

      this “better than mainland chinese” sentiment is not only prevalent in hk but among many overseas chinese too. being a mainlander myself, i had some hard time dealing with it at the beginning but have been more at ease now after realising its only human nature to be discriminatory towards the backward if we all aspire to improve and progress. china is still a developing country and still poor and backward in many ways which is why so many mainlanders look for better oppotunities and future beyond the chinese border for themselves and for their children.

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      • Mickey
        June 7, 2012 at 12:40 am (2 years ago)

        Dear mainlander, thank you for your support.

        I kinda understand that it is probably a human nature to feel they are superior to other people, but living in U.S. for long time taught me a lot of lessons. It is not their gender, race, or citizenship which affects their position, but it is rather their feeling, motivation and acts which affect what they are… well… I now understand why some HK people are not really happy with the Chinese people based on the number you gave me (7 million is a lot!), but I wish people will not judge the other people based on one incident. (Same is true for some Japanese people hating China and some Chinese hating Japan…)
        I will try South China post and see how it will go~

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  29. Thor
    June 16, 2012 at 7:56 am (2 years ago)

    I’ve been living with a Hong Kongese room now for 8 months. He absolutely refuses that he’s from China, and doesn’t even want to try to explain it to me. Also in my school there are a lot of people from Hong Kong which are pretty much the same.

    I now have some understanding of it, and I thank you for that.
    However I am now quite dissappointed that it’s because they think they are “superior” to others that they refuse to be called Chinese.

    This is a very big problem for me, hence I have lost a lot of respect for these “superior” Hong Kongese.

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    • primepeng
      September 26, 2012 at 3:33 am (2 years ago)

      China people are mostly stuck with their traditional mindset. hong kong has gained world reputation by their film shooting, china don’t have. Japan have animate, cosplay, innovated technology, China don’t have anything special that the world can share and experience outside the country.

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  30. Hong konger
    June 25, 2012 at 10:30 pm (2 years ago)

    I’m from hong kong and we hong kongers fucking hate those rude ass mainland Chinese people with no manners at all!!!

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    • Cheedolese
      August 4, 2012 at 11:13 am (2 years ago)

      Can someone say hypocrite?

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    • Nishi Hundan (@NishiHundan1)
      October 9, 2012 at 11:40 am (2 years ago)

      Hong Kongers are losers. You guys were nothing but lap dogs for the British. Now you act like you’re so superior to mainlanders? You’re a complete joke.

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      • eyeren
        December 21, 2012 at 8:59 pm (2 years ago)

        Lap dogs for the British? … = =
        We were under the british for 99 years and thanks to that we have more freedom. I’ve always thought that hk was democratic until I found out just awhile ago that China is tightening their control over hk.
        A bit scary. To a Hong Kong person, mainland china is a scary place with rude people. There have been many weird things happening in china … like how they use hair oil for making soya sauce … We have also heard of the many dangers there. Once I went to Shanghai and omg i freaked out. My family and I joined a tour and we were about to cross a main road. The cars didn’t let us pass, so we were separated from our group. The tour guide had to come back to get us. So yeah, now I’m scared of going to China. If you go to the UK, they stop and let you pass (cos they have to and they’re not as rude as them). I’m not saying that Hong Kong people don’t do that, but I know for sure I can cross the road safely without being knocked over in the middle. Well, in England some people are impatient too. They just zoom past hoping u’ll walk quicker or sth, but most of them are nice. Except for this old lady who … ok. I’m off topic. Anyways, I just think that most mainlanders are rude, but not all cos I’ve got some nice mainlanders as friends.

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  31. Paul
    October 28, 2012 at 10:26 pm (2 years ago)

    I am a Chinese from South-East Asia. I think the problem with Hong Kong is that is is not a nation, but a part of China. We don’t have such problems over here. Contemporary concept of the world is that you identify your nationality first, such as Indonesian, Thai, Singaporean, Australian and so on; then your ethnicity, i.e. Chinese, Indian, Malay, Mongolian, Arab etc. Your ethicity is your root.

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  32. Overseas Chinese
    November 11, 2012 at 10:54 am (2 years ago)

    It is very sad to see that Hong Kong people declared themselves as being not Chinese. It is like a poodle (well kept animal) declaring that it is not a dog.

    It is dangerous because enemies of China in the West, especially Britain and the USA, might be tempted to see HongKong as another Bengahzi (which led the destruction of Libya). Will HongKong be able to toppple China with the help of the colonial masters. A fact already being alerted to the authorities in Beijing. Dangerous.

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    • Jin
      November 14, 2012 at 3:29 pm (2 years ago)

      Interesting points by using the “dog” as an example. I guess that we all see things different, be it a political, social or economic perspective. I don’t think that Hong Kong can topple China as it’s quite dependent on China nowadays. Hong Kong people speak Cantonese, a language that some Mainland Chinese also speak. Hong Kong people eat Chinese food, watch Chinese TV and listen to Chinese songs. Every part of Hong Kong people’s lives can be tied with China. Without China, Hong Kong seems to be a place without an owner.

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    • eyeren
      December 21, 2012 at 9:06 pm (2 years ago)

      Haha lol as if Hong Kong can do that. :D
      When people ask me where I’m from, I say I’m Chinese because I am and because I know I am. Personally, I think that the ones that grew up there (or I don’t know) are rude. So I clarify myself by saying that I’m from Hong Kong. Basically a Chinese from Hong Kong. It’s true that I support China during the Olympics. I really respect those hard working athletes and the chances of Hong Kong winning many golds … hmm … not so high.
      I dunno what to say now … bye

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  33. Rick
    November 25, 2012 at 12:18 am (2 years ago)

    Hi Jin,
    I would say that I do agree with your thoughts on this one. People ask me where I am from and I always say “I was born here (Australia)” So then they ask where my parents are from, I say Hong Kong. The reason for my decision to say that is I am a very polite person that would give up my seat on the train for the elderly etc. As the image of the western world pictures mainland Chinese as rude etc I do not want to be stereotyped by this image. I am not saying Mainlanders are bad or anything just do not want to be associated with negative images.

    I know the situation with Hong Kong and China and do think that it has gone out of hand. For me when I travel to another land I always make an effort to research to ensure I do not offend anyone as such as I understand we all have different cultures and ways of doing things.

    Mainlanders are a very proud bunch, I have had some in Australia say why I do not speak Mandarin. As it is not my Mother tongue and I do not wish to make a scene I say something silly as “I do not know” lol. I think Mainlanders are just proud of being Chinese and they just want all people rooted to the Chinese race to remember it and not to let go.

    I just hope that as Mainlanders are now travelling around the globe that it will just open up their minds and understand other cultures. Once this happens I am sure they will realise that may need to behave differently to each different country. Then the Chinese race will no longer get a bad reputation around the world.

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    • Jin
      December 4, 2012 at 2:40 pm (2 years ago)

      Thanks for your comments, Rick.

      This is an inspiring insight. I think that it’s understandable for one to not recognize himself/herself as a nation negatively considered by the rest of the world because we human beings all need ego and pride in myself. When the western world considers China as a rude nation, those who are on the borderline between being a Chinese and a non-Chinese (like people from HK, TW or Macau, or those born and raised overseas but Chinese in root) one would be less likely to consider themselves as Chinese.

      I think that some Chinese cultures are so different from the rest of the world that no matter how the Chinese act, others might consider as rude anyway. While it’s true many problems exist in Mainland China (e.g. some Chinese products are poisonous, human rights are minuscule, corruption is prevalent), we should also think that somehow the disapproval of Chinese people by the western world might also be that the westerners are not used to the Chinese cultures, or that it’s too weird for them to understand.

      In a word, for social problems in China, it’s the Chinese who are the only one to solve the problems. But for the issue of culture difference, I believe both parties (the Chinese and the western world) should make their minds open to accepting and learning each other’s culture.

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  34. JP
    December 4, 2012 at 2:25 pm (2 years ago)

    I believe that when people from Hong Kong these days hear “China” or “Chinese” the first things that come to their mind is “Communist” and the many negative things that go with it like forced abortions, little freedom, nuclear weapons, awful human rights record, blocked internet access, bad treatment of factory workers, activists automatically declared enemies of the state and many other negative images. I believe that if China becomes a liberal and democratic society, then the people of Hong Kong will happily declare themselves Chinese permanently.

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    • Jin
      December 4, 2012 at 2:29 pm (2 years ago)

      Thanks for your comments, JP. Yes, this is the same thoughts I try to make in this post.
      As long as there are negative news and attributes associated with the label of “Chinese”, Hong Kong people would not want to call themselves a Chinese. If those negative attributes are gone or more positive ones coming up, Hong Kong people may change their minds!

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  35. Ruth Powy
    January 5, 2013 at 7:26 pm (2 years ago)

    There is a problem with the word “Chinese”. People use “Chinese” to refer Hongkong Chinese, Taiwan Chinese and Mainland China Chinese. However, there’s always a word game playing by Hongkong and Taiwan Chinese.

    My friend had tenants from Hongkong, Taiwan and Australia a year ago. She frequently mentioned both Hongkong and Taiwan tenants were messy, loud-talking, and…

    Comment on Hongkong and Taiwan tenants:” Chinese are dirty…”
    (Note: The word of “Chinese” here only refers to Hongkong and Taiwan Chinese.)

    Hongkong tenant’s excuse:” I’m not Chinese. I’m Hongkongnese.
    Chinese are dirty.”
    Taiwan tenant’s excuse:” I’m not Chinese. I’m Taiwanese. Chinese
    are dirty.”
    (Note: Both Hongkong&Taiwan Chinese are trying to get ride of their dirt, throwing it to Mainland China Chinese.)

    My friend now likes to use “Hongkongnese” and “Taiwanese” to make her comment on what she exactly wants to say: “Hongkongnese and Taiwanese are not only dirty for a living but also dirty for a moral soul!”

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  36. Kevin
    January 22, 2013 at 2:03 am (2 years ago)

    I consider myself a Chinese person in Hong Kong. I do not hate being called Chinese because I am Chinese. China is a vast country. Commonly and based on historical practices, people identify themselves with where they’re from based on the provinces or the cities in a nationwide scale, and the town or villages to anyone within the same province. A person from Guangzhou would call themselves a Guangzhou person, person from Shanghai or surrounding area would call himself Shanghainese, a person from Beijing would call himself a Beijing person and a person from Hong Kong would call himself a Hong Kong person. Although we also identify ourselves with our ancestral homeland which most likely isn’t Hong Kong. Prior to 1800s, Hong Kong had less than a few hundred people.

    China has 56 major enthnic nationalities and 23 minor ones. Although we have one mandarin as a main language for within China, we all often speak the language of where we’re from which could number in the hundreds. The languages could be mutually unintelligible from one town to another, even if it’s only a few miles away. The Chinese of Hong Kong have been influenced by Cantonese from Guangzhou within the last 100 years or so due to civil war and immigration from the early 1900 to mid 1950s. The close proximity of the two cities allowed a higher percentage of people from Guangzhou and surround area to moved to Hong Kong, although many people from other parts of China have also moved to Hong Kong in the past 150 years.

    The major factor is because of the closure of borders post 1950s by the then Colonial Government of the British Empire facilitated a separate identity of being a Hong Kong person. Since then Hong Kong developed much earlier in different paths politically, economically and to a certain extent culturally with some western influences.

    We all know we are Chinese by blood, however, certain people in Hong Kong dislike the generally customary practices and habits of people who have lived in mainland China most of their lives. This is because of habits and what the norms are. Hong Kong had decades earlier head start to develop certain acceptable practices. While China only truly started reforms and developments in the mid-1970 with it going in full steam in the mid-1980s and on.

    Hong Kong was also a unhygienic city prior to the 1990s. There were many campaigns by made the government to promote cleanliness with hefty fines corrupt prior to then and have only gained it’s current image within the last 20 years. The current fine for littering is HKD1500 about USD200. The fine started at HKD500 and had to be raised to the current amount.

    Corruption is rampant in the mainland China. However, corruption to a certain extend is within the culture of Chinese and countries within the Sinophere for thousands of years. It will be extremely hard to get rid of something that’s been ongoing for thousands of years. Hong Kong was also very corrupt prior to the 1980s. Corruption was in every level of society. Corruption was widely pacified with the creation of the Independent Commission Against Corrupt in the early 1970s.

    Even though our brethren north of the border often have practices unacceptable to Hong Kong now. However, it took Hong Kong decades to stop doing those practices in a relatively smaller population then. Hong Kong only had around five million permanent residents in 1980 and even much less prior to then.( Hong Kong now has 7.35 million) Therefore it would be easier to promote certain practices within a shorter time compared to the mainland with close to officially 1.35 billion people.

    Ethnic minorities do not have to adhere to the one-child policies and often have better governmental assistance compared to the majority Han.

    Give the mainland time and will be gradually become better.

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  37. samuel welsh
    January 28, 2013 at 8:28 pm (1 year ago)

    there cantonese ,not chinnese theres common culture but different language and different societies love both people
    hong kong is democratic china isnot .

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  38. samuel welsh
    January 28, 2013 at 8:35 pm (1 year ago)

    my hope is that the chinnese government will stop abusing its asian brothers and sending us cheap crap, the people are great but the goods and government is not.

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  39. JC Wong
    February 17, 2013 at 5:41 am (1 year ago)

    For your information; Cantonese comes from Guangdong, hence the term “Guangdong Hua”
    (廣東話=Cantonese), so I have no idea why you bothered to write “Although Guangdong people also speak Cantonese”. Most people in HK all have family in Guangdong, including myself.

    In addition, Hong Kong does not have their own language – their dialect is from the Mainland.
    If there were no immigrants from PRC to Hong Kong, nobody here would be speaking Cantonese, would they? And the fact that Cantonese is a dying dialect doesn’t make it a special one either;
    take a look at other dialects in the Chinese language – Hakka, Teochew, etc. – they are almost dead and
    extinct; does that make them special languages?

    Hong Kong people have whiter skin? Where did you get this from?
    From all the countries that I have traveled and lived in here in Asia, HK people have the darkest tanned skin of all. I suggest you take a trip up to Northern China, and visit our fellow neighbors to the north – they have far whiter skin than the people here!

    My family here in HK has always considered themselves “Chinese” – if they are not Chinese, then what are they? I was born in the United Kingdom (like most overseas Chinese born to HK parents), and I can tell you, if you went out in public and told all the local whites that you are “British” and not Chinese, you would be the laughing stock of the whole town – overseas Chinese are not considered “British” whether they are born there or not, they will always be just “Chinese” to the locals.
    No such thing as “Hong Kongese”, only Chinese in terms of nationality and ethinicity.
    If only HK was not brainwashed with propaganda from the British for over 100 years, then the people here
    wouldn’t have this type of backwards thinking.
    You are Chinese, be proud of it.

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  40. Leo
    February 24, 2013 at 1:43 am (1 year ago)

    You also missed the obvious reason why Hong Konger don’t say they are “Chinese”, ethnically they aren’t Han Chinese.
    If you aren’t Han Chinese, how can you say you are “Chinese”?

    my friend is full hindu indian. Born and raised in Hong Kong ans speak perfect Cantonese. He’s certainly more “Chinese” then me, but he can’t say he’s “Chinese” so he rather identify himself as a “Hong Konger”.
    Myself I’m overseas 3/4 Chinese and 1/4 Uyguar, i don’t look like the typical Han chinese, nor can i connect or feel like a national Chinese, hence i rather tell people i’m a “Hong Konger”.

    China, has to understand there is a difference in ethnic distinction and national identity.

    Besides, Hong Kong is technically part of China, so saying you are from Hong Kong is the same as saying you are from China. Don’t see why Mainlanders have to be upset about it.

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  41. Serrena
    February 26, 2013 at 7:38 pm (1 year ago)

    I think the real problem is the ambiguity of what it means to be Chinese. Does it mean you have to be ethnically Han to be Chinese? If Hong Kong is part of China, can an Indian person who is born and raised in Hong Kong, call himself Chinese too?

    The majority of people in Hong Kong are ethnically Chinese, that is undeniable. However, they have Hong Kong nationality. I’m sure many people from Taiwan would feel the same too. I think the question of nationality/identity is personal, and in that regard, no one should pass judgement.

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    • Jin
      March 1, 2013 at 1:08 pm (1 year ago)

      The “Chinese” people described in this article refer to those who are politically and culturally Chinese, especially those who hold a Chinese, Hong Kong, Macau or Taiwanese passport. If you’re ethically “Chinese” but are born and raised overseas and hold a foreign passport, say American, then it’s out of the scope of discussion in this article. The confusion we discuss here arises because of the official “Chinese” identity recognized by the return of sovereignty to China for Hong Kong and Macau, that’s the main focus.

      Different ethic groups in China is another way to look at this issue, and thanks for providing another angle. I guess most people refer “Chinese” as Han Chinese, although other ethnic minorities on China are also Chinese, just that we don’t know enough about them to distinguish them.

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  42. Brad
    March 11, 2013 at 4:41 pm (1 year ago)

    I am a local HongKonger , i cannot stop laughing when a mainland chinese be proud of China .
    Look at their shit country , they can spend a lot of money on Olympic Game , Space Project ….
    But they cannot produce some safe food such as Milk Powder …etc..

    For me , China is dead after PRC ruin it all our culture …. Long live cultural revolution !… LOL
    It is quite stupid to talk about the blood or race what u are …..I would admit a indian or white person from other country to be a HongKonger , if they really love this place and want to protect it .

    To Jin :

    Please look deeper to China , all the China government people ‘s farmily , the yall take the passport of Canda , USA ..etc. It is a big joke .

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    • Jin
      March 13, 2013 at 7:43 am (1 year ago)

      Brad, thanks for your comment.

      China needs to work on safe food and less corruption, that’s for sure.

      For the phenomenon of Chinese people holding the passport of other countries, it’s a big trend that many affluent Chinese are applying to migrate to other Western countries like the US, Canada, UK etc. mainly for better living standards (less pollution) and education for their children. Some Chinese officials are worried that less talented Chinese people will stay in China and it might affect the economy and word force competitiveness.

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  43. Jay Liew
    April 13, 2013 at 12:22 am (1 year ago)

    HKers do look down on Mainlanders, and consider them locust. I agree, because other than living in HK, I’ve been to many Mainland Cities (Changsha, Changde, Zhangjiajie, Chengdu, Leshan, Xian, Beijing, Shanghai, Suzhou, Hangzhou, Wuxi, Nanjing, Guilin), so I have seen how Mainlanders are. They are uncivil, and hostile. I’m always glad to return their favor if necessary. I look down on them, but I don’t fear them. For Mainlanders, it’s mainly because they are not exposed as much to the traditional society, due to censorship there.

    However, I also know not “all” Mainlanders are like that. Since coming to USC for grad school, I have Mainland friends. I have no problem with them, and they don’t mind with what I feel above. But even to them, I limited or even stopped the topic when a Mainland girl from Suzhou asked “Why do you want to go out with me? I am a 100% Mainlander”. My simple answer was, “With all my views, when they came up to me, showed interest in being my friend, I will not leave or avoid them”. If i did, then there will be no difference between me and the “low level” Mainlanders. That girl concluded by saying “If that is the way you guys think of us, we have every right not to like you guys…

    I said to her that outsiders, even though they have good reasons, it’s not 100% right, and it creates misunderstandings on both ends.

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    • Brad
      May 4, 2013 at 3:48 pm (1 year ago)

      I start to doubt that ” Should the mainlander called themselves ” Chinese ” ? They don’t even write the Real Chinese ” Tranditonal Chinese ” . How can they called themselves “Chinese” ?

      I respect the Taiwanese , they make me feel like that they are the real Chinese . They are kindness , helpful and polite.

      I feel sad when the China become like this nowadays after the communist come to China .

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  44. GLo
    April 22, 2013 at 10:54 am (1 year ago)

    What you said in the article is just your assumptions. If you really want to know how real Hong Konger feel or hate being called Chinese, you can refer to the is link: http://reasonswhywehate.tumblr.com/

    Cheers!

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    • Jin Wong
      April 22, 2013 at 7:08 pm (1 year ago)

      It’s my observation instead of assumptions. Thanks for sharing your site ;-)

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  45. katharine
    April 30, 2013 at 1:00 am (1 year ago)

    hong kong people hate chinese coz they think chinese are dirty, selfish, and is true

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  46. Andy
    April 30, 2013 at 5:16 am (1 year ago)

    Most of the culture and language of HK came from Guangdong, China approximately 100 or so years ago. All of Hk’s resources: labor, food, people also originated from China. HK was merely a Chinese harbor before the British take over. The reason HK people have their pride is because of the British influence and colonialism. Aside from that, you are no more special than cities like Shanghai, Beijing. For HKers to say they are not part of China is like saying Taiwan is not part of China. HK is indeed a part of China, but with different cultures, laws and so forth. Without Chinese, HK is just a dump city where the very rich and very poor people exists.

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  47. suuuju
    April 30, 2013 at 7:51 pm (1 year ago)

    What a shame, just encountered the article! and after going through all arguments above, so easy to tell the general shared opinion that Hong Kongers declared themselves to be from Hong Kong rather than China. As newbe to Hongkong, when asked where are you from, my response comes all in a natural way,”i am from mainland China.” which means on the deeper lever I am pro-hongkongers in the way of excluding myself from the local! And when taken as hongkong girl regarding my appearance and dressing style, subconciously I feel delighted as Hongkongers genrerally do perform better in terms of public etiquettes and dressing codes. In most circumstances, mainlanders claim Hongkong’s increasing reliance on mother land to bring out the superiorty as the owner, while it indicates the same connotation as Hongkongers’ dignity out of higher living conditions, so to speak, making nonsense on this point.
    I have been treated inferiorly in Hongkong sometimes and so have my friends, I am extremely fed up with the concrete bunch of TV news reports with theme of Chinese ppl are being evil which culminates in the worsening image of China as a whole! I learned a lesson here, don’t judge anyone and make the fixed conclusion easily, so even aware of treated badly I still waited to get my stuff done as I know Hong Kong is based on basics after all, and individuals differ from each other, one does’t equate with all!
    We are here in pursuit of higher education and not for taking the social resources ! As Hong Kong is credited with multicultures compatable, so we are here to learn more so to contriute more to HK, if we can’t live up to commitments, we’d rather go back home as we treasure Hong Kong and appreciate its contribution to Chinese democracy!
    The general social hierachy and education background of Mainlanders travelling to Hongkong are decreasing, while the well-educated younger generation are being good citizen here. Sometimes our counterparts in HK hurt my feeling by their ignorance and superfacial interpretation of China! Please do spare time for yourself to contemplate the world freed from the media and your cynical peers!

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    • CP
      April 30, 2013 at 11:03 pm (1 year ago)

      HK welcomes people to live here so long they believe our local core values (Rule of law, democracy, Freedom of speech and Zero corruption).
      If people living here keeps thinking that this wet of values should not be practiced and a more “Chinese” version should be adopted instead. Sorry you are not welcomed, otherwise all who believe in this set of rules are most welcomed to stay here.
      If you feel that westerners are more welcomed in HK than you Chinese, it’s because their government don’t speak on a daily basis on our TV and newspaper in telling how HK people and their government to behave. We are already a well developed country and weh don’t need your Dictatorship telling us what to do. Our despise of your Chinese government and what your people did here gradually make us looked at you with … more “vinegar”.
      The image of your Chinese government did not worsen because of our local HK media, locking up Liu Xiaobo, Ai weiwei countless other political prisoners is the TRUE REASON ! The HK media is not powerful enough to bring down the world’s image of “Chinese” but your government’s persecution of political prisionors, and the barbaric behaviours of your fellow Chinese fellow tourists around the world is why the word Chinese had a bad image as a whole.
      If you think you are not taking social resources, think of it this way, even though you are paying school fees, the HK govt still subsidises ~60% of your education (HK locals are subsidized by ~80%).
      I am fed up of how Chinese think that they are giving use charity. let me close this up with some concrete facts.
      [1997年, 我們包容你落後國家管理先進國家 - 香港]

      我們已經受夠了的中國,
      公平貿易和供應是不同的

      香港的水,食物,是公平貿易

      不過, 中國人食物,衣服,藥品,技術,資金和培訓倒是香港供應不小,
      香港: 捐款賑災、助養助學、投資辦廠

      中國人供應的只有-非典型性肺炎/SARS

      60-70年代,文化革命,為您提供免費的食物,衣服和藥品
      80年代, 改革開放-給您帶來技術,資金,培訓和藥品

      90年代, 1991年5、6月間, 華東水災:
      從1991年7月至12月,中國一共接受境內外捐款物一共23億人民幣,相當於國家正常年份災民生活救濟費嘅2.3倍,其中近四成唻自港、澳台地區同埋海外唐人,至1992年7月,捐款增加至283億人民幣

      1997年, 我們包容你落後國家管理先進國家 – 香港
      ————————–
      2003年,中國”供應” SARS來港
      2008年,四川地震香港捐出200億元, 多過每一個省

      所有的人都極限, 我們希望獨立 !

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      • Suuuju
        May 1, 2013 at 9:25 am (1 year ago)

        I appreciate your first half paragraph which contrasts sharply with my argument, as for the effect of mass media, it’s based on my observation as my particular concern is attributed to media stuff,surely the prerequisite of settling down in hk is to acquire and apply your core value, thats the reason why hk deserves all our efforts to maintain its independence. Either The political prisoner or afflicting measure is symbolizing the automacracy of communist party, hongkongers’ concern about its indepence in the long run is definitely rational. While the social system constitutes in a formed way, the nation machine runs in sacrifice of individual interests or even lives which is the value critically going against that of westwen world. From a historical or utilitirism point of view, hard to tell which is better. China channels all efforts in raising ppl’s living conditions within 30years, there must be evil sacrifice! I’m not defending the criminals my country commits, I tend to go back to the common sense that applies to even a government, country. But its the citizen’ s duty to unveil their evil deed, to go against the dominating power also as it helps the country to prosper rather than abuse or humiliate its ppl!
        至于您最后列举的当然是事实,您自己也知道,只是部分事实,任何有经济学社会学常识的人都知道,中国给香港带来了什么,香港也举全港之力反哺很多。 我本意是想说,讨论这类问题时不要牵扯到谁有钱谁的贡献大, 我们带着无限诚意希望为香港作贡献,我们不是共产党的特务,间谍,我们赞成并会践行香港的核心价值,that’s why we are here.

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        • CP
          May 1, 2013 at 9:03 pm (1 year ago)

          Thank you.
          Sorry if the tone is a little harsh.
          But HK people, espicially my generation is fed up of the Chinese Government and some of the Chinese here in HK. They are using HK as their “washing machine” for their dirty money, HK is now the top 3 countries for money laundering. This all came because of 1997, if given the choice to be colonized by either the British (before 1997) and Chinese (after 1997), a online vote showed 90% plus chooses the former.
          Can you blame us? One of the former governors ( the 25th Governor of Hong Kong, from 1971 to 1982, Sir Murray Maclehose, I suggest you wikipedia his name.) is the reason that HK is what we are today. He laid down the keystones to the success of HK today.
          Public housing, Anti-corruption, Natural country parks, Industrailization, freshwater reserviors, Free Education, free healthcare etc.
          While the “Chinese poodles” Chief Executive (They the 2nd best paid politicians in the world, just after Singapore, better paid than A US President) since 1997 had done practically nothing, Gini Index is higher than ever before, Press Freedom index ranking fell from 21 to 65,…

          Anyway, welcome to HK. I think in order to integrate to our multicultural society, the best way is to learn to speak Cantonese and watch some movies. It’s easier to understand the culture here this way. I am not asking you to forget your roots, but to understand ours.
          Good day to you. :)

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          • hkglory
            May 3, 2013 at 9:49 am (1 year ago)

            先说movie.
            想认识香港的本质,可以看低俗喜剧。哪怕没有彭大导的刻意标榜,香港人的低俗早已是深入民心,华夏大地根本就没人可与之争辉。低俗喜剧其实不错,因为真实。香港人文生态的本质就是低俗。真实好哇,至少也算是一种对自我的肯定和尊重。高雅人群相对可能更热衷于装模作样,因为他们更在乎名声面子这些较虚幻的东西,但他们也较装得起,因为多少有点底气,哪怕虚范一场,还是有个撑得起的架子,而底气不足也去装,怕只有露陷被笑话的份,那可是比不装更要掉份的事。据说彭大导在帝都生活过一段时间,说不准那段经历给了他刺激而成就了这部捍卫香港人以粗口低俗为核心价值所在的作品。北京是全国各路精英人马的聚集地,人文水平一向引领风骚,高雅人群的比例应该是认了第二,没人敢认第一的,需要装的场合应该也较多,可以想象低俗气场扑面而来的香港人那种装不上两句就露怯的窘态,当这种窘态成了生活的常态,或许会促使人反省自己的定位。即然装不起,还不让勒了个去?

              拜千年帝都的历史,北京的文化丰厚多元,雅俗共赏,不失大气,但我是流氓我怕谁的地痞文化与香港人寄托在粗口问候出口就脏的低俗不是同一层次可比。北京人嘴皮子出了名的厉害,哪怕一老太太也能不带半个脏字出口成章地把人损得缓不过神来,然后看一星期CCTV的新闻联播还不一定就能缓过气来。这或许就是天子脚下皇城根上攒下的底气。一脸土气满腹油墨的郭德刚就自豪满满地扎根在基层,捧场的依然不乏各种高雅。

              与那些因为消受了外人几天的滋养,顺带见了点世面就把自己端成天堂使者文明楷模的下人相比,低俗喜剧的各种低俗很到位地彰显了香港人的本分,寄望他们继续发扬光大。

            动不动就喜欢拿些外国名字来显摆,拿老东家来给自己脸上贴金,难道是因为自己没什么拿得出手的本事?自己看不起自己,别人又怎会看得起你?

            不过这也很符合他们的素质,进化慢,自尊心同理心都发育不健全,以为沾光等同有出息,所以才会有拿着米字旗得瑟的事。与之相比的是韩国人强烈的民族荣辱感,有人敢拿着太阳旗在韩国街头得瑟,不被打死也至少半残。

            人的素质源于两部分:基因和见识。基因是千百万年进化的成品,决定潜力极限;见识最多也就一辈子的教化,能影响潜力可被实现的水平。香港人的人口组成大部分是广东人(90%),这就注定香港人的素质处于东亚族群的低端,原因是温暖少变的气候和地理隔阂(五岭分隔岭南与中原)导致广东的基因库进化慢(表象是低端的长相智能审美)。

              香港的曾经经济辉煌最大原因来自大环境的暗淡,这个大环境就是中国大陆曾经的闭关锁国,台海紧张。中国大陆的落后是因为意识形态作怪,人民被限制参与市场竞争的机会,改革开放后竞争平台正在逐步与海外看齐,大家都处在相同的平台上竞争才是真正素质的较量。

              一个好例子就是香港人的英语水平,香港人从小就崇拜英语,又被英国人殖民超过150年,号称国际城市,竟然英语水平还不如包括城乡的日本南韩,归根结底就是内在基因素质差,决定了潜力有限,就算搭上再好的外来教养见识还是力有不及。穿上龙袍不象太子大概就这么个意思。

          • hkglory
            May 3, 2013 at 9:51 am (1 year ago)

            再说说cantonese.
            粤语不悦耳是有学术引证支持的,不悦耳就是不美落后,自然不值得被欣赏。粤语人常拿粤语发音相近唐宋官话来给自己贴金,却不知道这正好说明了粤语的语音美感的落后,现代粤语的美感有如千年前的中原官话。(同样的,美国英语进步慢也保留有较多古英语的发音,不如现代的英国BBC英语好听)。人的天性尚美,语言的进化自然会循着顺应听觉美感的方向发展,同样的,人的长相也会循着顺应视觉美感的方向进化。粤语不悦耳粤人不悦目说明粤语地区人文素质落后。另外,粤语还非常不规范,譬如粤语有九个声调,但你随便问个粤语人怎么说这九个声调,十有八九说不上来。事物的发展都会经过因混乱而后有被规范必要的过程,例如一个城市的发展,规范得较好的城市自然more user-friendly more likable。同样道理适用于语言的发展。(题外话,城市的发展布局反映一个地方的集体思维,我个人的经验是北方城市比南方城市整齐条理)

              北方语音淘汰南方语音不单中国有,法国德国的官方标准语音也是取北方口音。

          • hkglory
            May 3, 2013 at 9:58 am (1 year ago)

            大陆人看香港的年轻一代

            香港青年人的思维,都停留在浅层,不愿意深入思考,或者是确实缺乏深入思考的能力,不能透过现象看本质。特别欠缺的,是逻辑思维能力。所以香港人说出的话,总是前言不搭后语,言不对题,离题万里。

              香港的文化,是典型的快餐文化,不论是政治、文学、历史、电影电视剧,还是经济,都停留在浅层。香港的教科书,毫无深度,浅薄到极点。香港的电影电视剧,都是毫无深度,幼稚可笑,恶搞胡编,甚至以屎尿屁、粗话、色情为荣。这样的文化,培养的就是一种及时行乐、拒绝思考的群体。

              香港的教育无疑是很有问题的,没有重心,既不是英国文化,也不是中华文化。结果两方面都停留在浅层。

              大陆地域广阔,在大陆的大学里,相隔万里、不同省份、五湖四海的年轻人在一起交流碰撞,加上读万卷书还可以行万里路,所以大陆年轻人的文化水平、独立思维能力、见识见解、学习和接受新观念新知识的能力,都比香港年轻人强得多。

              香港已经越来越衰落了。世界的变化,香港人缺乏足够的素质和心理准备来适应。

              香港人如果还是那么自闭、还是那么自以为是、还是不懂得反思自己的缺陷,还是不懂得融入整个大陆,那么,香港在以后的竞争中,只会越来越落后。

  48. hkglory
    May 1, 2013 at 12:37 pm (1 year ago)

    1. 这是上海,浙江,香港智商数据来源。
      http://akarlin.com/2012/08/13/analysis-of-chinas-pisa-2009-results/

    2. 这是长相与智能有正关联的出处:
      Scientists have long suspected that intelligence and physical attractiveness may be positively correlated.

      “http://personal.lse.ac.uk/Kanazawa/pdfs/I2011.pdf”

    3.生存在寒冷环境的动物比温暖地方的动物的记忆和解决困难能力高的出处

      Warm weather dumbs brain.

      http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/277/1697/3187.full.pdf

      http://wolfweb.unr.edu/homepage/vpravosu/papers/Chancellor_etal_2011DevelNeurobiol.pdf

    大陆人看香港

      香港被英国殖民的头一百年毫不起眼,而在过去几十年的曾经辉煌主要是来自机遇和中国大陆的封闭,而并非香港人有什么特别过人之处,这些机遇发生在1949年后的几十年间:

      1。首先是政权转换使一大批来自长三角的商贾携带资金人才技术南下香港,加上后来主要来自华南地区偷渡到港的廉价劳动力,奠定了香港六七十年代低技术制造业(玩具制衣)的起飞。所以说香港踩着中国的苦难上位一点不为过,换句话说,就是大大地发了国难财。

      2。1950-80间的三十年整个中国大陆与西方主流世界绝缘,只留下香港这么一个窗口可以与西方进行交流,一个小港口吐纳着全国的所有进出口,有这样完全没有竞争对手而且纯赚的商业机会,傻子都会兴旺发达。

      3。中国八十年代初开始改革开放,招商引资,从1980-1997香港回归前的近20年间海外商人要进入中国内地投资,或者内地企业需要走出国门,一般会经过香港,从而带动了香港的资本市场和金融服务业的增长。另外因为内地航运、空运都尚不发达,很多海外的货物进入内地仍继续选择经过香港,香港的转口贸易曾是亚洲最大的。

      但随着大陆的全面开放,香港的贸易资金中转功能逐渐被取替,但香港没有适时调整自己的产业政策,低技术制造业的流失,以及先进制造业的缺失,加剧了香港投资的单一性,在对地产盲目的乐观和推崇中,因贸易而积累下的财富成就了一栋栋高耸入云的钢筋水泥建筑体,房地产的投机功能远大于其使用功能。几百万人的香港在集体玩击鼓传花的游戏,宛若一个世界级的传销组织。

      香港目前的经济困局源于其经济结构本身的缺陷和脆弱,一个700万人口的国际大都市,完全依存于服务业,而服务业的寄生性,则决定了未来的不确定性。

      历史的看,香港的这种衰退,也曾经在澳门上演过。澳门作为15世纪后中国闭关锁国的海禁政策背景下的唯一贸易口岸,依靠白银贸易迅速发展,但随着贸易的衰退,以及香港的开埠,澳门的贸易地位被迅速替代,从中心滑向边缘。一时的优势不代表永恒,安枕于优势导致经济模式单一和思路僵化,当竞争对手出现后,衰败就在所难免,时间问题而已。

      沉舟侧畔千帆过,有人会哭泣吗?

      ====================

      香港人看香港和上海

      香港和上海的興起,都是「鴉片戰爭」的副產品;中英締結〈南京條約〉,香港被割讓為英國的殖民地,上海亦被指定為「五口通商」的城市之一。「八國聯軍」之後,上海更遭西方列強劃分「租界」;瞬息間,上海便已發展成為東亞當代最國際化的大都市。中國許多現代小說,寫不盡「十里洋場;紙醉金迷」的故事,都是以上海為背景。
      上海位處的「長江三角洲」,較「珠江三角洲」富庶,亦更接近中國的權力中心,集齊天時、地利、人和因素,上海的早期發展,遠較香港的更為快速,並有更多國家參與,故此能成為中國當代最「國際化」的城市。同期香港的發展則相對緩慢,在珠三角的「省港澳」三市中,排名更在「省城–廣州市」之下。
      中國自1949年「解放」之後,實行「鎖國」,祇留下香港以殖民地身分掩護之下,作為全國對外的唯一橋樑;反之,上海卻因其「洋化」面貌,遭受中央的打壓。於是,上海潮落;香港騰飛。在50/60年代,香港固然有其「獅子山下」的奮鬥精神,但「刻苦耐勞」不是香港人所獨有,而香港能在這段時間「花開一面」,獨領風騷,確實與其歷史地理的機遇有莫大關係。

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  49. hkglory
    May 1, 2013 at 12:42 pm (1 year ago)

    过去30年深圳与香港的GDP比例(大约):

      1980 SZ 1:1000 HK
      1990 1:50
      2000 1:7
      2005 1:3
      2010 1:2
      2011 2:3

      曾经是傲视亚洲的东方之猪,除日本外似乎没那个亚洲地区在其眼内,90年代时开始被与新加坡作双城比,没多久就被新加坡抛后,2000年开始又与上海比,10年不到又被抛后。

      深圳好样的,现在30而立,下一步是兼并。按上面的走势看,2047或许只剩下纸上程序.

    资源货币化的现代战场没有硝烟子弹,但本质同样是为了掠夺更多资源的斗智斗勇,许多资源丰富的落后国家对自己的资源根本没有支配权,根本原因归咎于其人口素质不如人,这种内因造成的落后有如天命之不可违。

      “一国两制”对大陆不公平,牺牲了大陆的利益只为维持香港的繁荣,问题是香港的所谓繁荣不是源自其人口素质优秀,而是当年靠踩着大陆的苦难再加上源自英国的法制和管理辅助得以上位的,是几种外因相遇而生的偶发事件,不可复制也不可持续。各种港怂就是香港人口素质的最好示范,你愿意相信凭这样的素质可能成就香港的繁荣吗?既然上海的平均智商为112,凭什么要让利去维持智商只有107的香港作国际金融中心,连浙江乡下人的智商都比不上怎么去和其他国家的精英斗智斗勇?自称国际城市以英语为官方语竟然英语能力还比不上日本南韩的智商,有幸受东西文明润泽吸收了较健全的管理文化更自我标榜文明典范但社会财富分配悬殊程度却与亚非拉落后国家看齐的智商,值得让大陆委屈自己以成全他人的繁荣吗?继续惠港政策,绝对有损中国的长远利益。

      不吐痰不乱扔垃圾不抢座位这些礼节规矩不过是外在的教化,拿这些说素质只说明层次的肤浅,伦敦人not so long ago还大模大样从楼上往大街上倒屎尿呢,查查loo是怎么来的。

      香港的回归天命,乃中国之幸。

    有句话:不要为翻倒的牛奶哭泣。
    中国也有句话说:逝者已矣,来者可追。

      香港无论怎么盘算都是一个赔钱货,赔多、赔少、赔快、赔慢而已。

      香港较高的生活水平属于偶发事件,不是一个正常现象,是不可持续的。所以中国的统一不应该以维持香港人民的生活水平作为条件,这是极不公平的,也严重影响中国未来发展。大陆正确的做法是回归自然,公平竞争,自然淘汰。

      大陆要提高自己的生活水平,停止对香港的优惠,一切以自己长期的经济利益为考虑。  
      
    在自己还被认为是落后的穷人的时候,对香港的任何输血都是下下之策,只会产生更多的白眼狼。

      劫贫济富的「一国两制」造成中国金融秩序的混乱与宏观经济调控的困难,延迟中国的崛起,是中国处理香港问题最大的错误。

      对中国而言,香港回归一个小渔村不是坏事,是回归天命。

      「一国两制」的逆势操作是违背天命的,必定没有好下场。

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  50. hkglory
    May 1, 2013 at 12:53 pm (1 year ago)

    香港人主体是广东人,查旧一点的各省智商,特别是儿童的,岭南三省都是榜末,只是过去一二十年多了外地人到广东闯,帮助拉高了平均。老话说人离乡贱,但外地人其实是较容易在广东站稳脚跟的,特别是与北京上海比,主要原因是外地人的基因素质比广东人优秀,深圳就是个好例子,虽是广东的地方,但却是北方文化当道,说广东话的还被看不起。作为一个国际城市金融中心,香港的IQ才107,而上海有112,浙江包括城乡也有110,北京的数据暂时找不到但肯定至少110以上,那可是千年帝都各路精英聚集的地。若是亚洲大城市排名,香港肯定前十都进不了,那样的智商在中国大概也就二三线城市的水平。城市之间平均智商相差5那竞争力肯定不在同一层次了,所以香港真不适合作金融中心,连乡下人的智商都不如还怎么去和别国的精英斗智斗勇?不说远的,就看那个两罐奶粉的法例,那可是拿着几百万年薪的高官焦头烂额拍出来的,结果里里外外招的那个骂和烦。

      广东人的智商长相身高明显比五岭以北的逊色是因为气候和地理隔阂导致人口基因库进化慢。人天性崇智尚美,进化方向应该是更美更智慧。外因例如政策倾斜地缘优势先进文明的影响和运气等是可以一时半两帮助提升竞争力,但真正可持续的高竞争力还是要靠本身人口素质的优秀这样的内因,这种优秀其实不用深究,从外貌长相就可以看出,相由心生,这心说的就是智慧。国外已有科学研究指出长相和智能有正关联,但这类研究主要通过问卷统计进行,难以精确论述且样本大耗钱耗时间,还要面对很多政治压力所以进展慢。有出差到深圳香港的外国人问过我们为什么只隔了一个海关,深圳人长得和香港人不太一样,深圳的不但年轻人较多,还较好看。所以再给些时间,深圳的后来居上应该不是问题,过去三十年的GDP一直是越来越贴近香港,五年前是香港的1/2,去年已达2/3。

      落后还反映在粤语的不悦耳,可以比较广东人说普通话与日本人棒子说普通话所带的背景口音,除去生涩感,我个人觉得广东腔更难听,问过不少人也有同感。口音形成于人文环境,反映一个地方的人文审美水平。

      不少高考状元去了香港一段时间就后悔了,其中一个原因是发现香港本地学生水平,,,,,,

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  51. hkglory
    May 1, 2013 at 1:03 pm (1 year ago)

    先秦时期,百粤民族(亦即与所谓马来人同源的一个民族)遍布中国南方,秦始皇征服岭南以后,岭南作为中国大地的一片边陲,是中原人流放、逃难地,中原人与百粤人民同居混血,便形成了外貌特征带有较重马来人种特征的两广人.
      
    《魏书》就形容广东人“鸟声禽呼,言语不同,猴蛇鱼鳖,嗜欲皆异”
      
    从秦汉开始,就一直是流放罪犯的地方, 成了贱民、罪民的渊薮。

    对个人来说,出身或许可以不重要,obama都当上美国总统还二任了,但对一个群体,出身就绝对有比较价值。远的比较北欧和南欧,日耳曼血统为主体的北欧的社会保障应该是地球上最好没有之一;拉丁血统的南欧正在全民欠债。再比较同一个体制内的美国普通白人社区的安逸和黑人社区的slum。近的可以看日本和菲律宾,都是亚洲政体西化最早的岛国,面积人口密度相近,据说二次大战后菲律宾还曾经是亚洲仅次于日本的强国,但现在人均GDP与日本相差好像20倍?日本出口高端电玩,菲律宾靠出口大学生给人洗厕所养国养家。再比较大英帝国曾经遍布全球的殖民地(英国子民自己建立的美加澳除外),好像只有新加坡香港弄出了点名堂?又碰巧都是南下华人为主的社会。东南亚国家的华人是少数民族,在各种排华政策下却掌控了这些国家的经济命脉。马来西亚就是因为害怕华人以经济为后盾分享过多政治权利而宁可将新加坡逐出马来西亚联邦的。再回看中国,得中原者得天下,自古只有北方的游牧民族对中原有真正的威胁,并在过去一千年有近半的时间入主过中原(蒙100多年? 满300年)。满族人口2000年的统计才一千万,不到全国人口的1%,不知道几百年前是什么比例,但肯定也是极小的,但这么小众的民族却能够突破长城并统领了华夏大地三个世纪,而且他们的文明史远比汉人短,没有自己的文字前还曾借用汉字,虽然最后还是被强韧的汉文化同化,但满人对汉文化的影响是从上而下劈头盖脸的强势,例如马挂旗袍还有带着满语语音的京腔成了现代汉语的语音标准。广东人爱拿这yy普通话,按我说你有本事也去影响中原试试,有那本事秦始王就早在南边也建长城了,而不是尽发配些老弱残兵和罪犯去殖民岭南。

      有了这些比较,我认为出身绝对重要,而出身与生存环境的磨练是分不开的,一方水土一方人。假如香港人的出身换成大部分是源自岭南以北,香港的曾经辉煌肯定更耀眼。海外华人多是广东人并非因为广东人素质优秀,正相反,农耕社会依恋土地不喜迁徙,若非混不下去不会轻易冒险外求发展。十九世纪从广东开始的移民潮其实就是一批在中国被淘汰的底层人力资源的输出。那些海外成功例子可以解读为绝处逢生否极泰来,只是靠地产投机倒卖起家与靠文化科技扬名肯定不是同一档次。

    沐浴过西方文明的香港人特别热衷于指责中国许多的落后不文明,这并没有错,值得鼓励,乐意不乐意,现在就是西方文明当道,但中国是个有厚重历史的大国,绝对经得起批评,不管善意恶意,有批评才会反省不足以求进步,但相信香港人很明白中国进步对香港的意义就是挤压的加速,被松绑了的13亿人口所释放出的张力之给力,蜗居于弹丸之地的香港人一定早已深有体会,喜不喜欢都好,挤压才刚开始,就算从奶粉开始吧。其实全世界都应该感激中国曾经的闭关锁国,有了这个大背景才让不少国家地区的生产力轻松换取到超值的资源,提早进入发达队伍。两百年前拿破仑读过孙子兵法后说过中国是沉睡中的巨人: “let her sleep for when she awakes the world will shake. ” 喜不喜欢都好,the world is shaking now.

      以人类的祖先同是猴子来否定族群有优劣之分,那等同否定进化的意义。假如不同的选择不同生存环境的磨练把我们都塑造成没有价值差别的人,那自强不息的教诲就是废话。

    改革开放,表面看广东先发展了,但真正的赢家是北方人,北方人在过去三十年比历史上任何时候都更快地抢占广东的资源和淘汰广东人,不说别的,就看以北方口音为标准的普通话的普及速度,许多在广州长大的小孩甚至以说广东话等同低俗没文化,可以想象广东话在未来栋梁心中的地位,对广东人说长得不象广东人还成了变相的恭维。以北方文化为主的深圳才30年历史,但早就不把有2000城镇史的省府广州放眼里。现在且看香港怎么招架,抗争肯定有,但广东人被北方人淘汰是物竞天择的结果,要怪就怪温暖少变的气候。人心向往进步,落后不美就会被歧视被淘汰,自然规律。

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  52. hkglory
    May 1, 2013 at 1:10 pm (1 year ago)

    越接近赤道方言语种越多,温带地区则多往大同方向发展,并在大同的进化过程中使语言的内涵更丰富更有逻辑,语音更顺耳或说更符合听觉美感。四季分明的气候丰富我们的感官和想象,自然繁衍出更丰富的词汇和表达,丰富后自然带来审美的提高,就象一个人多了见识,分辨判断能力提高,审美水平也会提高。

      欧洲的几个大国在二十世纪工业革命后城市化过程中也有过通过行政方式进行语音标准化,法国德国的官方语都是以北方口音为标准。

      美国几百年的历史也已经发展出明显的北方南方口音,南方的很土,这美国人自己说的。

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    • CP
      May 1, 2013 at 8:44 pm (1 year ago)

      在事實面前,用血統論歪曲?
      血統論 – 中國人的最後一塊遮羞布

      極度的嫉妒會產生憎恨
        注:中國對日本人,香港人和台灣人

        

      HDI, Human Development Factor 人類發展指數(越高越好)
      香港0.898
      台灣0.882
      中國0.687

      人均GDP, GDP per person
      香港34049美元/年
      台灣21900美元/年
      上海城12783美元/年

      CPI貪污感知指數, Corruption Perception Index(越高越好)
      香港8.4
      台灣6.1
      中國3.6

      PFI新聞自由指數2011 , Press Freedom Index(越低越好)
      香港17.0
      台灣13.0
      中國136.0

      A country without Google, Facebook,Twitter & YouTube is the next superpower? You must be kidding

        一個沒有 Google, Facebook,Twitter & YouTube 是個新的超級大國?
        笑死我

      We arenot be better, but we are just different

      主要的核心價值觀:
      自由,人權,法治,廉政公署
      (你永遠不會有)

      HK’s Core values
      Freedom, Human Rights, Rule of Law, Zero tolerence for corruption

      其他:
      環保,無污染,教育,湛藍的天空,
      渠務(下雨不會使香港成為威尼斯),郊野公園,交通
      (你也不會有)

      Others
      Environmental Protection (50% of HK’s land are country parks), Education (3 out of of Asia’s top 5 Universities are in HK, QS Asia rankings), Blue skies (this is absent in China)
      Sewage system (Shanghai and Beijing becomes Venice after a heavy downpour)

      而公共美德與紀律(你沒有)
      (你一定是在做夢 !)

      Public virtue and discipline
      (We don’t spit, urinate in public places like a common animal. We actually queue up and waitwait in the line)

      Chinese or at least their govt, doesn’t care (or are unable to) about these things

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      • hkglory
        May 7, 2013 at 2:01 pm (1 year ago)

        香港寄生于中国

          中国有一句话:「靠山吃山,靠水吃水」。

          那么香港靠什么呢?

          答案是:香港靠海,吃的自然是水。香港在割让给英国以前是一个小渔村,居民以捕鱼为生。捕鱼能致富吗?当然不能。不过那时候的香港人虽苦,过得是自食其力的正常生活。

          英国占领香港後把香港建设成英国对中国的转口港,香港这就发达了。这时候香港人吃的是什麽?是中国辛勤创造的财富,不再是香港附近水中的鱼。换句话说,香港人是寄生在中国的一群人,本身并没有什麽生产力,生活虽好并不踏实。

          香港经济真正的腾飞起於中国的改革开放。

          让我们用数字来说话。香港的恒生指数1978年以前接近500点,1998年达到18000点,20年内翻了40倍。没有中国大陆改革开放後巨大的需求和西方国家在转口贸易的操纵,香港经济是不可能腾飞的。

          事实是,香港人优裕的生活是建筑在香港成为西方世界在中国的桥头堡上。这是西方人的骄傲,香蕉华人的光荣,中国人的耻辱。

          香港对中国经济的伤害

          香港回归后不久,网上就出现很多文章批评中央向香港输送利益的「一国两制」对中国的经济造成了非常大的伤害。大陆作家赵海均还写了一本书,名叫【经济中国】, 节录几个重点。

          这本书的论述以2002年的香港经济做例子来分析。

          1.香港全年的GNP为12700亿港元,中国大陆支付香港的转口中间费大约是3000亿港元。

          2.中国大陆向香港输送廉价的淡水资源、电力资源、油气资源、食物蔬菜等估计每年达到 3000-4000亿港元,但是香港不向中央缴纳一分钱的税。

          3.香港独立的司法体系、货币政策和市场机制不利于国家的宏观调控和政策监管,使中国政府蒙受巨大的经济损失。其中内外勾结、行贿收贿、偷税、漏税、走私、逃汇、骗汇、洗钱等不法活动非常猖獗,国家的财政损失每年高达数千亿。

          4.香港的假外资偷税、逃税、套汇、洗钱侵蚀中国的经济。国内某些暴富的人把财富转移到境外合法化,然后摇身一变成“洋人”回来大陆投资,享受外资待遇。根据统计珠江三角洲地区70%的外资直接来自香港,这其中有多少假外资,没有人知道。但是人所周知,偷税、逃税、套汇的活动非常普遍。

          5.香港的金融制度和游戏规则非常腐败,是为了保护香港几个财团的利益而设计的。譬如供股、批股、合股、拆股的制度规则,有利于第一大股东掏空上市公司、掏空中小股东。

          6.中国的国营大中型企业去香港上市支付的中介费用(律师费、上市费、财务顾问费、评估费等)高达 10%-15%,经常令股价跌破淨资产、跌破发行价,在严重丧失筹资功能的同时,每年还进行年息 3-5%的派息和缴纳上市费用。国有资产在香港遭受严重的流失和掏空,中国广大纳税人几十年的财富拱手送给了外国人。

          香港用百分之百的服务业养活 700万素质不佳的人口,而且是高收入人口。全世界找不到第二个例子。

          目前的香港人还在做梦,做坐在办公室、吹冷气、领高薪、请菲佣的梦,做会说英语骑在大陆人头上的梦,还有做跟西方世界有特殊“历史交情”的梦。

          这些幻梦没有一个不令人发笑。

          香港人二鬼子的梦早就该醒了。商业竞争是无情的,是纯粹追逐利润的游戏,没有生产能力、远离生产基地、坐领高薪的香港人在这场游戏中必败无疑。大陆早就该修理香港这个赔钱货。

          香港人必须面对残酷的事实:没有竞争的能力就没有饭吃,北京政府的补贴总有一天会走到头的。

          与中国大陆接岸经济上依赖大陆的小岛,只因曾经割让给西方强国,岛民都有二鬼子和买办的心态(借用西方的优势赚大陆的钱),更可恶的是,还最爱唱衰大陆,看不得大陆好,希望大陆永远落后西方。

          大陆必须从香港的回归学到教训,认识到自己富裕最重要,要使自己变成别人羡慕的有钱人,而不是做烂好人。想想看,大陆人在香港受到的歧视还不够多吗?为什麽?说白了,就是因为大陆人穷。香港人第一尊敬的是说英语的,他们是殖民主子;第二尊敬的是说美语的,他们是有钱有势的大爷;第三是其他洋人;第四是说广东话的;最看不起的就是说普通话的大陆人,因为他们最穷。

          嫌贫爱富是人的本性,中国大陆正确的做法是全力发展自己,就是邓老爷子说的:「发展才是硬道理」。大陆只需要对外维持公平的原则,不必对香港有任何特殊照顾。大陆本身的优越,特别是财富上的优越地位,才是吸引香港的磁石。大陆要提高自己的生活水平,停止对香港的优惠,一切以自己长期的经济利益为考量。

          生活水平低的大陆向生活水平高的香港输血特别容易令对方心理不平衡,产生否认、抗拒、蔑视对方、夸耀自己等等反表现来维持他们虚假的自尊与优越感。

          所以北京政府要学着点,在自己还被认为是落后的穷人的时候,大陆对香港的任何输血都是下下之策,只会产生更多的白眼狼。

          大陆用大量输血来维持香港的繁荣是最愚蠢的政策,绝不可能获得香港人的政治回报。

          中国必须记住:一个比欧洲和日本贫穷的中国无论如何节衣缩食供养香港只能遭到更大的鄙视,绝不可能赢得香港人的感谢和尊敬。讲得更白一点,贫富是比较,不是绝对的。大陆要使港人人心归顺,手段不在使自己有多富有,而在使港人比大陆人更穷。这是人性的现实,不会改变的。

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  53. hkglory
    May 3, 2013 at 10:03 am (1 year ago)

    北方人居住在四季分明的地区,所以神经感觉比较敏感,脑容量较大。

    以下的血统论来自你们的老东家:

      “英国教授称东亚人智商全球最高 平均值为105

      在 收集研究了130个国家的智商测试后,最近,英国一位研究人种智商的学者得出了一个令亚洲人感到既惊讶又高兴的结论。他的研究结论是:中国人、日本人、朝 鲜人是全世界最聪明的人,他们拥有全世界最高的智商,平均值为105,明显高于欧洲人和其他的人种。得出这一结论的专家是英国阿尔斯特大学名誉教授理查 德·林恩。他的这一结论是否可信?又是如何得出的?几天前,本报记者通过电子邮件对理查德·林恩教授进行了独家采访。

      经过近30年和对130个国家的IQ测试,林恩教授得到不同地区人种智商的排名。

      林 恩教授1977年开始进入人种智商这一领域的研究。他在信中说道,上世纪70年代,他注意到了日本的飞速发展,作为智商研究专家,他马上想到,日本能够有 如此快的发展是否因为他们有较高的智商?于是,他开始了对日本人的智商测试调查。他发现,日本人的人均智商达到了105。得出这个结论后,他又猜想,中国 人是否也应该拥有同样高的智商?调查测试的结果显示,他的想法是对的,中国人的平均智商也达到了105。

      中国、日本都属于蒙古人种,地域又很接近,于是,林恩教授开始了对人种智商差异的研究。在收集研究了130个国家的智商测试后,林恩教授总结出了不同地区人种智商的差异排位以及原因。

      东 亚人(包括中国人、日本人、朝鲜人)拥有全世界最高的平均智商,平均值为105。而之后排位是欧洲人(100),爱斯基摩人(91),东南亚人(87), 美洲本土印第安人(87),太平洋诸岛土著居民(85),南亚及北非人(84),撒哈拉非洲人(67),澳大利亚原著民(62)。而人种智商最低地区是南 非沙漠高原的丛林人和刚果雨林地区的俾格米人,平均智商为54。

      林恩的这一研究遭到了西方社会的批评。他说,因为在西方有一个观点:所有人种的智商都是一样的,研究人种智商的差异被认为是种族歧视。

      通过研究,林恩认为,是恶劣的生存环境造就了高智商的人种。

      林 恩教授对造成这一结论的原因也进行了研究。他认为,造成人种智商差异的原因是生存环境和基因。林恩教授首先注意到了加州大学研究脑量进化的专家杰里森的观 点:在物种进化的过程中,物种的智力进化受到了环境的重要影响,也是物竞天择的一个重要因素。动物们要想在恶劣的环境中成为幸存者,必须进化出足够大的脑 容量,这样它们通过视觉、听觉和嗅觉得到的信息才能在大脑中进行充分的分析。

      林恩教授认为,这一理论同样可以用到人类的进化中。在对诸多 的数据分析后,林恩教授得出,寒冷的气候让人类得到了更大的脑容量。比如东亚人的平均脑容量为1416cc,欧洲人的脑容量为1367cc,而撒哈拉地区 的非洲人脑容量为1282cc。林恩教授称,寒冷的气候让早期的人类必须学会如何御寒。在寸草不生,动物也很少出没的冬季,寻找食物努力生存下去使得这些 地区的人类获得越来越高的智商,以求不被大自然淘汰。

      既然东亚人的智商最高,为什么西方人的发明创造更胜东方人?

      当林恩 教授提出他的研究后,很多人提出了质疑。第一点就是虽然东亚人拥有高于欧洲及美国人的智商,但欧洲人在科学技术研究上要比东亚人更胜一筹,发明也更多。林 恩教授认为这是由于东亚人在性格上比欧洲人更循规蹈矩,所以在发明创造上受到了一定的影响,但这并不能证明东亚人的智商低于欧洲人。

      林恩教授还提出,聪明的东亚人现在遍布了世界各地,包括新加坡、马来西亚、夏威夷、北美地区。而他们在各个科学领域的参与和成绩也越来越突出。

      爱斯基摩人生活在冰天雪地中,却为什么没有最高的智商?

      欧洲一些学者对林恩教授的结论的另一个质疑是,既然寒冷的气候让人类进化出最大的脑容量,并获得高智商,为什么生活在冰天雪地中的爱斯基摩人却是个例外。

      这一点,林恩教授用基因突变解释这个问题。林恩教授说,在早期非洲直立人向世界各地移民进化的过程中,他们带着能够进化出高智商和低智商的基因。而这种基因在人口发展快、人口多的地区得到进化的机会就更多。在寒冷的季节,低智商的人类逐渐被淘汰,而高智商的成为幸存者。

      爱斯基摩人的人口稀少,控制智商的基因突变成高智商的机会也就小于欧亚人。直到今天,爱斯基摩人的总人口也只有5.5万人。

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  54. sai fuk
    July 22, 2013 at 8:35 am (1 year ago)

    I don’t get these people that hate getting called chinese. I am from Hong Kong. AND I have never MET a single one that didn’t call themselves chinese. Sure they don’t like some stuff from 大陸, such as simplified writing and the beijing language or so-called Mandarin. I don’t like these either, but to get rid of your chinese identity for a british one is disgusting. Is being colonized by a foreign people a source of pride? I think not, and those that are have what plato call a a natural slave mentality and I will not tolerate it. I am a proud HKer, and no foreign occupation is to be excused. Sure, we HAVE to protect the southern chinese dialects which are, again, more conservative and TRADITIONAL than the fake chinese beijing putonghua. And I think that is one cause to be angry about, but to swear your loyalty to the British Empire is disgusting. You don’t even have to be loyal to the PRC (I’m not. Fuck Mao and his ungrateful ilk) to BE called CHINESE. Chinese just means 華人, 漢人, 唐人, etc… which if you go to any chinatown, you’d know that we are. To be called anything else is not only rude, but it only deceives yourself. Does anyone else really think that you’re a brit? The answer is no, they’d see a foreign group groveling and kowtowing to become a westerner. If that’s what you are, then that’s fine with me. In fact, I encourage you not only to leave Hong Kong, but to leave East Asia. In fact, please marry a non-chinese person, and never ever speak about your chinese heritage. I encourage you to never ever return to the middle kingdom, and never let your progeny marry into the chinese gene pool ever again. You can leave if you want.

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    • CHAN fm HK
      July 22, 2013 at 9:43 am (1 year ago)

      Maybe you can’t read ….

      Hong Kong people said “I am from Hong Kong” not “I am from Britain”. Could you not tell the difference?
      Let me spell it out for you
      H-O-N-G space K-O-N-G, 8 letters, not B-R-I-T-A-I-N, 7 letters. I know it’s very hard for you, but it’s DIFFERENT.

      If you’ve never met anyone from Hong Kong that didn’t called themselves Chinese, there is simply no way you are a HKer. Otherwise you’ve probably not been in HK for many years.

      If (according to you) people who thinks this way should leave Hong Kong, you are no different from the Nazis getting rid of the Jews in WWII. The Jews don’t think they are German while living in Germany either. What do you think you are? Telling people to leave where they called home since childhood. Hitler? Stalin?

      We have the Chinese culture in us, that DOES NOT make us CHINESE. Look at Canada, USA, Australia & New Zealand, they are using ENGLISH up to this very date as their language, some even had the Queen and the Union Jack on their flags. You don’t find the Brits telling everyone they meet that Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders & Americans that they are British.

      But the Chinese love telling everyone who had Chinese culture that they are Chinese. Why, because they had a terrible reputation internationally. When they see people in HK, Taiwan, Malaysian (25% Chinese) & Singapore doing well on the international platform, they got jealous and wanted people to dislike them as well. Chinese are sick.

      —————-

      btw study your history

      Hong Kong is ceded to British from Imperial Qing (1644-1912)
      Hong Kong, since 1842, 171 yr old
      Republic of China (Taiwan), since 1912, 100 yr old
      Soviet Union Stalin’s Bastard son (aka China), 63 yr old
      China, had ZERO grounds to govern Hong Kong from British, she is a Soviet Kidnapper

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      • sai fuk
        August 3, 2013 at 9:54 pm (12 months ago)

        Chinese does not MEAN you have to be from PRC. It’s not about the fucking government, you irrational pig. It’s about being ethnically chinese, are you so desperate to be something you’re not? From your message, we can see you are one of those that waves the british flags by saying (Oh look, Hong Kong was ceded, therefore we’re british). It’s like saying that since we were conquered by Mongolians, that we are now Mongolians. It’s preposterous. And comparing me to the Nazis is not only stupid, it’s irrelevant with absolutely no connection at all. What am I holocausting? Nothing. You’re so desperate from a cheap shot that idiots like you will always pull out the Hitler card for something completely unrelated. I can’t believe you fulfilled Godwin’s law in your first bloody reply.

        I am chinese, NOT from People’s Republic of China. Did you read what I previously wrote at all?
        And yes, I have been in Hong Kong. I was born in Hong Kong, my parents are HKers, my friends are HKers, and I only recently left it 1 year ago. And yes, I still haven’t met a single HKer that doesn’t say “I am chinese” when asked in english. If I ask what I am? They’ll say “You’re Chinese” despite being HKer and speaking not a single lick of shitty mandarin. They may answer I am HKer in cantonese, but do you know what they also say just as frequently? You know what they say? “華人, 唐人, etc”. That’s chinese as in ethnically chinese.
        Like every single HKer, we still have relatives in the mainland, and each time we go to our family ancestral home. It reminds us of the family history. It reminds us of what we are, what we went through. From the end of Ming to the beginning of Qing was an era of covert struggle. Our family sought out every mean to undermine the Qing. Why? Because they were foreign invaders. It’s one thing to live under an incompetent government like the end of Ming, but it’s another to live under humiliating foreign occupation as a 2nd class citizen. The Qing lasted only because of the introduced hardy crops brought about by the columbia american exchange. My family was one of the first to revolt openly when given the chance.
        If you stayed British, you would always be a 2nd class citizen. You would always be a colonized people. My family only went to HK/Taiwan as a refuge the increasing political disadvantage due to the communist threat. We are the last ones to defend the communist bastards. But that does not make us non-chinese.

        If you don’t like the gov, I encourage you to just support Taiwan or something. Or yell “Hong Kong does not belong to PRC”, but never fucking wave a british flag like many of you do in all your riots. It disgusts me, those people can wave it in Britain. However, even the Irish/scottish have/had revolts/independent movement from it. Why? Because even if they were conquered the British aka UK, they still recognized that they were Irish, not brits. Even the anglo-saxons still recognize Norman descendants. You can save your “grass is greener over the fence” somewhere else.

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        • Yoyo Wu
          November 8, 2013 at 12:31 pm (9 months ago)

          don’t mind the dickhead replied your comment. he is dumb and ignorant. you are making every sense of your opinion, I hope there are more Hkers like you. I live in Britain and I’m from mainland. I’m so sick of those white washed Chinese who totally forget their root. I’m truly appreciate your wisdom which lots of hkers don’t have. They think they are superior than ppl from mainland, and this just make themselves a joke. those ppl can kiss British ass for good.

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  55. misscriticize
    August 30, 2013 at 6:52 pm (11 months ago)

    Look, I agree with some things you say in the article, but the fact that everyone, including you (no offence) keeps saying that HK people hate the Mainland only when the economy is not doing well and that we only say we’re HK people to maintain our ‘status’ and ‘style’. I find that offensive. I call myself a Hongkonger for a reason-I was born in Hong Kong, have been to the Mainland and hated it. And you know what? I felt like I was in a different country. And I pretty much was. Everything was different. They drove on a different side of the car and the road, they spoke a similar language that I didn’t understand, the food was different, the road signs were in Simplified Chinese-everything. I have to say my ethnicity is Chinese when I do forms and stuff-but I always feel wrong while doing it, like I’m telling a lie or bending the truth. I don’t just hate the Mainland because most are rude. I pretty much hate them because of a personal family reason. So please, don’t say all of the people in Hong Kong like being called Hongkongers just because of status. It’s not true for anyone I know.

    (If it sounds offensive it’s just because I’m passionate about this lol sorry. And my username is because I have a media critic blog, not because I like criticizing. :) )

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    • Jin Wong
      August 30, 2013 at 6:58 pm (11 months ago)

      If you point out you’re not agreed with what I say with your reasons, that’s not offensive. Offensive people are those who talk ill off others without having a real opinion. Sorry to know about your experience in China.

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      • misscriticize
        August 30, 2013 at 7:18 pm (11 months ago)

        So you’re saying I’m talking ill of you without a real opinion, to make that clear?

        How am I doing that. I’m saying I find it offensive you’re generalizing Hong Kong people, and you think that’s offensive? I didn’t insult you. I had an opinion. Look, if you find me offensive, I’m sorry, but I don’t think I was.

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        • misscriticize
          August 30, 2013 at 7:22 pm (11 months ago)

          OH MY GOD SORRY ABOUT THAT REPLY.

          I didn’t read the ‘not’ part argh. Sorry sorry just ignore it :0

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        • Jin Wong
          August 30, 2013 at 7:22 pm (11 months ago)

          What I meant was I didn’t think your first comment was offensive, and I was explaining what would make me feel offensive and your comment wasn’t fall in that case because you did give your reasons as to why you hate mainland and so my article doesn’t reflect your opinion … I shall improve my English. Lol

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          • misscriticize
            August 30, 2013 at 7:26 pm (11 months ago)

            Okay, that clears things up. Phew! No your English was perfect it’s just because I’m tired and I couldn’t read properly. lol. :)

            Nice blog by the way.

          • Jin Wong
            August 30, 2013 at 7:39 pm (11 months ago)

            Thank you!

  56. Natio
    December 30, 2013 at 2:07 am (7 months ago)

    I always find it funny when some clueless overseas chinese and chinese insult Hong Kong people like “British imperialist slave” when most of them are actually living or desperately trying to make their child study in British commonwealth or America.

    Just because you feel you are now facing racism from some white classmates and colleagues doesn’t make you know more about Taiwan or Hong Kong people, although I understand it would probably drive you to go nuts or pro-peking nationalist. And one fact about Hong Kong, it’s a multicultural melting pot, tens of thousand of South Asian and SE Asian are Hong Kong people who adopt Hong Kong values. If you think being ethnically chinese has anything to do with being Hong Kong people, you are just as racist as neo-racist badmouthing asian.

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    • sai fuk
      December 31, 2013 at 3:20 am (7 months ago)

      I think it’s rather hilarious that you didn’t read my post at all judging by your response.
      I daresay it’s quite representative of your kinds of people.
      If you bothered to read any parts of my post, you will clearly see most of it is dedicated to deconstructing chinese as a nationality, but as an ethnicity. I also said that if you didn’t like Pekin, you can support whatever other chinese entities you so desire. I do not care either way. Your ignorance of my post is astounding.
      And yes, Hong Kong is slaving away to be a cheaper carbon copy of the West. I am fully aware of that, but so is China – and pretty much the whole of East Asia is slaving away at its masters’ cock, just as much as they slaved away at the Manchus’ cock. My family was just an irregularity in an era that is the cesspool of groveling kowtowing bastards that served its foreign conquistadors called the “Qing Dynasty”. I doubt that’ll change either way.
      Frankly, it’s also amazing that they misunderstand that the West of today is not the West of the yesteryears, which was worth emulating in the past. The present cultural entity of the “West” is a erosive factor for the west itself. But I digress, East Asians will always try to reach the superior social status of the west in any way they can. I can not change that, you can not change that and it will probably never change until we are a grey and brown cesspool of “multicultural” monolithic(yes, monolithic) of festering decadence.

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